Episode cover of Music Business ghost drumming. Being a ghost in the machine.

Music Business ghost drumming. Being a ghost in the machine.

Wait What Really OK with Loren Weisman

  • 06/26/2020
  • 23 min

About this Episode

Music business ghost drumming occurred very often as well as a number of other session players that were paid to track parts, be silent and have another name credited on a song or album. Music Business ghost drumming. Being a ghost in the machine is the title of The Brand Messaging Podcast Wait What Really OK S6.E09.N112 hosted by Brand Messaging Strategist Loren Weisman who was a former ghost drummer at one time. On a completely different level, these ghost players not only served to help the recording, but they also served to help the messaging, the brand and the optics of the band or artist. It took humility and it took honor. It is hard to have a whole bunch of people asking you to prove your work., For others, friends would play the guessing game. I would just stick with the, I can not confirm or deny and leave left it at that. There was also the nasty side of it. Walking in to a toxic zone where someone had been told they were not going to play on the track or album. Then you are the one showing up to do the work and while the producer, engineer and label people are happy to see you, there was some pretty raw feelings coming from the band. In most cases for most session artists, it as never about trying to take the gig away. It was a one time job. Many session players and ghost players had that duality of being creative but also clearly understanding the music business is a business.Not being credited on the album did not mean you were not getting credit and building your resume. The producers, studios, and labels were quick to learn about and keep names on files of those that could handle the work and keep their mouths shut. And I noticed in replacing some of the players that just played it off like it was a simple mistake and not a big deal... that I would some times be called back for the next album under the same circumstances. It was a common occurrence of arrogance that tied to motivation. Artists making excuses for mistakes as learning experiences and yet they never learned a thing from the last time. Your mistakes are not learning experiences if you are not learning from them.It was a challenge and yet at the same time, some of the best times of my career. In this podcast, I dig into the concepts of music business ghost drumming, but also how many musicians served as a ghost in the machine. I also try to dispel some of the negative connotations and how in some ways, the ghost session players can relate well to messaging and the optics of today. S6.E09.N112 of the Wait What Really OK Podcast is called Music Business ghost drumming. Being a ghost in the machine. This Brand Messaging Podcast is available on Pandora, iHeartRadio, Spreaker, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts, and other Podcast Distributors.*******Brand Messaging Strategist Loren Weisman is a messaging and optics strategist for The Fish Stewarding Group. Loren focuses on the authenticity, authority, psychology and perceptions of the message and story. Weisman is also the host of the FSG brand messaging podcast; Wait What Really OK.*******Fish Stewarding GroupBuilding authoritative businesses with authentically sound people.2073 FM 89 Buffalo Gap Rd.Buffalo Gap, TX 79508, United StatesEm: fishstewarding@gmail.comPh: 001-407-614-7446*******https://lorenweisman.comhttps://fishstewarding.comLW Socials @lorenweismanFSG Socials @fishstewarding *******© 2022 Loren Weisman/Fish Stewarding Group. All Rights Reserved ® ℗*******Brand Messaging Podcast Music Credits 1: Opening Theme Song“Fully Licensed Wait What Really Ok Theme Song" by RKVC.Copyright 2016 eMbloh Music (ASCAP)/ Cienzo Music (BMI).Administered by Ass Backwards Music (ASCAP)/Bass Ackwards Music (BMI)*******Brand Messaging Podcast Music Credits 2: Closing Theme Song“News and Information Podcast Percussion Outro” by Doug Hinrichs.Copyright 2016 Dig and Be Dug Music (BMI).Administered by Bass Ackwards Music (BMI). *******Music Business ghost drumming. Being a ghost in the machine.