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This is what the news should sound like. The biggest stories of our time, told by the best journalists in the world. Hosted by Michael Barbaro, Rachel Abrams and Natalie Kitroeff. Twenty minutes a day, five days a week, ready by 6 a.m. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp

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When Jacob Hoff and Samantha Greenstone met, they became instant best friends. Then, even though Jacob was gay, they realized that their feelings for each other were evolving beyond the platonic, and they decided to give romance a try.On this episode of “Modern Love,” Hoff and Greenstone tell Host Anna Martin how their love gave him the courage to come out to his conservative family. They also explain that when they decided to get married, they realized they’d have to get used to clarifying their commitment again and again. This episode was inspired by Jenny Block’s Mini-Vows piece, “A Close Friendship That Developed Into a ‘Soulful Connection.”For more Modern Love, search for the show wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Wednesday.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

22/06/2025 • 38:04

The defiantly anti-woke comedian and podcast host reflects on the responsibilities of being appointment listening for millions.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

21/06/2025 • 70:06

The Supreme Court handed down a landmark ruling this week that effectively upheld bans on some medical treatments for transgender youth in nearly half of the United States.Azeen Ghorayshi explains the scientific debate over the care, and why the court’s decision leaves families more in the dark than ever.Guest: Azeen Ghorayshi is a reporter covering the intersection of sex, gender and science for The New York Times.Background reading: The Supreme Court’s decision, allowing Tennessee and other states to ban gender-affirming care for minors, was a crushing blow for the transgender rights movement.“The Protocol” podcast explains where youth gender medicine originated and how it became a target of the Trump administration.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Tierney L. Cross for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

20/06/2025 • 37:19

Over the past several weeks, federal agents have mounted increasingly aggressive immigration raids across the country.They have met with intense pushback from protesters, politicians and businesses.Tom Homan, President Trump’s border czar, speaks about his deportation strategy and why the Trump administration is only just getting started.Guest: Tom Homan, border czar for the Trump administration.Background reading: The Trump administration aims to spend $45 billion to expand immigrant detention.A federal appeals court has allowed the National Guard to remain in Los Angeles until a legal challenge is heard.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Haiyun Jiang for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

19/06/2025 • 27:42

In the growing conflict between Israel and Iran, one questions now looms over Washington: How far will President Trump go to entangle the United States in a new war?Jonathan Swan, who covers the White House, discusses Mr. Trump’s shifting stance on U.S. involvement, and the options he is now weighing.Guest: Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times.Background reading: Mr. Trump has shifted on Iran under pressure from Israel.The president’s choice: last-chance diplomacy or a bunker-busting bomb.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Kenny Holston/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

18/06/2025 • 29:27

Over the past three decades, A.D.H.D. diagnoses in the U.S. have been climbing steadily, and so have prescriptions for the medication to manage the symptoms.As the field booms, some longtime researchers are starting to question whether much of the fundamental thinking around how we identify and treat the disorder is wrong.Paul Tough, a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine, explains.Guest: Paul Tough, a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine who, for the last two decades, has written articles and books about education and child development.Background reading: Have we been thinking about A.D.H.D. all wrong?For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Bill Truran/Alamy Stock Photo Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

17/06/2025 • 36:07

During a dark and tumultuous weekend, two shootings in Minnesota left one lawmaker dead and another seriously injured.Overseas, Israel and Iran traded devastating strikes back and forth in what some fear is a new phase of violence in the Middle East.Ernesto Londoño explains what we know about the violence in Minnesota, and Farnaz Fassihi discusses what appears to be an all-out war between Israel and Iran.Guest:Ernesto Londoño, a reporter for The New York Times based in Minnesota, covering news in the Midwest.Farnaz Fassihi, the United Nations bureau chief for The New York Times, who also covers Iran and how countries around the world deal with conflicts in the Middle East.Background reading: Here’s a timeline of the Minnesota shootings.Israel and Iran traded attacks as the toll from their conflict mounts.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Tim Gruber for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

16/06/2025 • 27:49

For Father’s Day, the Modern Love team asked for your stories about fatherhood and emotional vulnerability. They heard from listeners who said that their dads rarely expressed their emotions, from listeners whose fathers wore their hearts on their sleeves and from fathers themselves who were trying to navigate parenting with emotional honesty and sensitivity. The stories had one thing in common: even just a peek into a father’s emotional world meant so much.On this episode of Modern Love, we hear listener’s stories about their dads. Then, Terry Real, a family therapist, returns to the show to offer his advice on being a father while also showing kids what it means to be emotionally vulnerable and available. He offers his philosophy around parenting through a combination of techniques.For more Modern Love, search for the show wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Wednesday.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

15/06/2025 • 58:27

The senator from Alaska reflects on her many years in Washington and what is happening in the country right now. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

14/06/2025 • 55:54

Tomorrow night, for the first time in decades, the United States military will put its unrivaled might on display in a parade through downtown Washington D.C.Helene Cooper, who covers national security for The Times, explains how President Trump overcame years of opposition from inside the military to get the parade and why its timing has become so fraught.David E. Sanger, who covers the White House and national security, gives an update on Israel’s attack on Iran and what it is likely to mean for the region.Guest:Helene Cooper, who covers national security issues for The New York Times.David E. Sanger, the White House and National Security Correspondent for The New York Times.Background reading: Mr. Trump’s military parade marches into a political maelstrom as troops have deployed to L.A.Israel targeted Iran’s nuclear program in major attack.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Andrew Harnik/Getty Images Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

13/06/2025 • 30:58

California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, says that President Trump’s decision to send federal troops into Los Angeles is a “brazen abuse of power” and a defining moment for American democracy.Governor Newsom sits down with Michael Barbaro to discuss Mr. Trump, illegal immigration, the protests and how he thinks the standoff in Los Angeles will end.Guest: Gavin Newsom, the governor of CaliforniaBackground reading: President Trump has expanded domestic use of the armed forces, testing the limits on involving troops at protests and the border.Gov. Gavin Newsom of California called on Americans to stand up to Mr. Trump in a nationally televised address.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

12/06/2025 • 37:43

This week’s protests and clashes in California are the biggest flare-up yet over President Trump’s immigration enforcement.They follow months of escalating raids and rhetoric as the administration struggles to fulfill the president’s big promises for mass deportations.Hamed Aleaziz, who covers immigration policy for The Times, goes inside one ICE operation and explains why the tensions over Mr. Trump’s aggressive approach may only get worse.Guest: Hamed Aleaziz, who covers the Department of Homeland Security and immigration policy in the United States for The New York Times.Background reading: Immigration agents have begun targeting workplaces as Mr. Trump’s immigration crackdown widens.Under pressure from the White House, ICE is seeking new ways to ramp up arrests.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Todd Heisler/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

11/06/2025 • 27:45

In the trade war between the United States and China, the biggest sticking point is a handful of metals that are essential to the U.S. and almost entirely under the control of China.The problem is, China has now cut off America’s access to those metals, threatening American industry and the U.S. military. Keith Bradsher explains how the United States became so dependent on China for these metals in the first place, and just how hard it will be to live without them.Guest: Keith Bradsher, the Beijing bureau chief for The New York Times.Background reading: China produces the entire world’s supply of samarium, a rare earth metal that the United States and its allies need to rebuild inventories of fighter jets, missiles and other hardware.What to know about China’s halt of rare earth exports.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Bert van Dijk/Getty Images Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

10/06/2025 • 28:59

During an extraordinary weekend, President Trump deployed 2,000 troops from the National Guard to suppress protests in Los Angeles against his own immigration policies, and his bitter breakup with the world’s richest man, Elon Musk, entered a new stage of acrimony.Shawn Hubler, The New York Times’s Los Angeles bureau chief, and Jonathan Swan, a White House correspondent, join Michael Barbaro to walk listeners through an eventful 48 hours.Guests: Shawn Hubler, the Los Angeles bureau chief for The New York Times.Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times.Background readingLaw enforcement officials fired tear gas and crowd-control ammunition at protesters in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday.Mr. Trump’s decision to remove a close associate of Mr. Musk from the running to lead NASA helped doom an extraordinary partnership.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.Photo: Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

09/06/2025 • 31:06

Mireille Silcoff recently wrote an article for The New York Times Magazine titled “Why Gen X Women Are Having the Best Sex.” At a time of life when many women describe feeling less visible and less desirable, Silcoff said, her life instead “exploded in a detonation of sex confetti.”On this episode of Modern Love, Silcoff shares the juicy back story to her popular article, from her coming of age in Montreal to the surprising sexual resurgence she experienced after her divorce. Silcoff reflects on what it feels like to be a highly sexual person in her early 50s and tells us how being part of Gen X is central to her newfound freedom.For more Modern Love, search for the show wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Wednesday. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

08/06/2025 • 35:54

The American Ballet Theater’s first Black female principal dancer on everything she’s fought for and the decision to end her historic career with the company.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

07/06/2025 • 42:44

This episode contains strong language.Since 2021, nearly half the states in the U.S. have passed bans on medical treatments for transgender minors. The Trump administration is now targeting the care, and in the coming weeks, the Supreme Court is expected to weigh in.Against that backdrop, “The Daily” is running the first episode of a six-part series from NYT Audio about the story of youth gender medicine — where it came from, whom it was meant to help, and what may come next in the legal and political fights over its future.It starts in the Netherlands, with a clinical psychologist and a 16 year-old who was determined to go through life as the gender he had long felt he was.Guests: Azeen Ghorayshi is a reporter for The New York Times covering the intersection of sex, gender and science. Austin Mitchell is a supervising audio producer for The New York Times.You can find all six episodes of “The Protocol,” along with additional reading material, at nytimes.com/theprotocol.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

06/06/2025 • 45:56

President Trump has called the sweeping domestic policy bill that recently passed in the House the most important piece of legislation in his second term — a single bill that would unlock his entire domestic agenda.But as that bill heads to the Senate, it’s raising questions among Republicans about whom Trumpism is really for. Today, the New York Times congressional correspondent Catie Edmondson joins “The Daily” to talk about the big messy battle over what Republicans have named the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.Guest: Catie Edmondson, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times.Background reading: President Trump is pressuring Republicans to back his policy bill, but the measure’s opponents have a powerful new ally: Elon Musk.Mr. Trump’s policy bill would add $2.4 trillion to the national debt, the Congressional Budget Office said on Wednesday. That estimate was all but certain to inflame concerns over the fiscal consequences of the legislation.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.Photo: Kenny Holston/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

05/06/2025 • 35:41

Operation Spider’s Web was an audacious Ukrainian sneak attack that caused billions of dollars in damage to Russian warplanes — using drones that cost as little as $600.Marc Santora, a reporter covering the war in Ukraine for The New York Times, explains why this strike on Sunday, which extended 3,000 miles into Russia, is already being seen as a signal event in the evolution of modern warfare.Guest: Marc Santora, has been reporting from Ukraine since the beginning of the war with Russia.Background readingIn its attacks on Russian airfields, Ukraine aimed for a strategic and symbolic blow.Ukraine showed it can still flip the script on how wars are waged.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.Photo: Capella Space/Handout, via Reuters Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

04/06/2025 • 23:58

Rachel Abrams and Natalie Kitroeff officially join Michael Barbaro as co-hosts of the show. Welcome to the next chapter. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

03/06/2025 • 09:37

It’s conventional wisdom that President Trump has transformed American politics. But a new county-by-county voting analysis from The New York Times of the last four presidential races shows just how drastically Mr. Trump has changed the electoral map.Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The Times, explains why the trends are a five-alarm fire for the Democrats and discusses the debate within the party over what to do about it.Guest: Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The New York Times.Background reading: How Donald Trump has remade America’s political landscape.Six months after the election, Democrats are still searching for a path forward.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Emily Elconin for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

03/06/2025 • 27:37

A Times investigation has found that as Elon Musk became one of President Trump’s closest and most influential advisers, he was juggling an increasingly chaotic personal life and a drug habit far more serious than previously known.Kirsten Grind and Megan Twohey, two investigative reporters at The New York Times, discuss why those closest to Mr. Musk are finally sounding the alarm.Guest:Kirsten Grind, an investigative business reporter at The New York Times.Megan Twohey, an investigative reporter at The New York Times.Background reading: On the campaign trail, Elon Musk juggled drugs and family drama.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Haiyun Jiang for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

02/06/2025 • 26:58

When Samaiya Mushtaq was growing up, she imagined marrying a kind Muslim man, and at 21, she did. But while studying to become a psychiatrist in medical school, she realized her husband couldn’t meet her emotional needs — something she deeply craved. Despite the shame she felt, she got a divorce.In this episode, Mushtaq shares the twists and turns of her unexpected second chance at love, where service is at the center. From working in health care during the pandemic to building a family to undertaking harrowing service trips to Gaza, she found what she truly needed in a marriage — only after letting go of what she thought she wanted.Samaiya Mushtaq’s memoir will be published by Daybreak Press next winter.This episode was inspired by her 2023 essay, “Must We Feel Shame Over Divorce?”For more Modern Love, search for the show wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Wednesday.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

01/06/2025 • 40:58

The Grammy-winning singer on overcoming child stardom, accepting her parents and being in control. Also, we have exciting news: You can check us out on YouTube. To watch our videos, go to: youtube.com/@theinterviewpodcast Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

31/05/2025 • 55:01

A panel of federal judges ruled on Wednesday that many of President Trump’s tariffs were illegal, a decision that has threatened to derail his trade agenda.Victor Schwartz, the wine importer at the center of the case, explains why he decided to take on the president, and Jeanna Smialek, the Brussels bureau chief for The Times, discusses what options Mr. Trump has to save his trade war.Guest:Victor Schwartz, a small wine importer and the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit against Mr. Trump’s tariffs.Jeanna Smialek, the Brussels bureau chief for The New York Times.Background reading: The U.S. Court of International Trade said Mr. Trump had overstepped his authority in imposing his “reciprocal” tariffs globally.An appeals court spared the tariffs while it considered the challenge.From March: Wine businesses were struck with fears of disaster under the threat of huge tariffs.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Doug Mills/The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

30/05/2025 • 23:37

For Harvard students, this year’s graduation ceremony comes amid an intense standoff between one of America’s most prestigious universities and the United States government.Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The Times, explains how the conflict escalated and what it reveals about how far the administration will go to fulfill its agenda.Guest: Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, covering Washington.Background reading: Harvard leaders see only bad outcomes ahead as they battle President Trump.The Trump administration says it is halting Harvard’s ability to enroll international students.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Sophie Park/Bloomberg Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

29/05/2025 • 28:52

The Trump administration on Tuesday bypassed the traditional system of vaccine guidance and abruptly ended the government’s recommendation that two key groups of Americans receive vaccinations against Covid.Apoorva Mandavilli, a science and global health reporter at The New York Times, discusses what could be a turning point in public health.Guest: Apoorva Mandavilli, a science and global health reporter at The New York Times.Background reading: Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said that there was no clinical data to support additional Covid shots for healthy children.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Frederic J. Brown/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

28/05/2025 • 28:50

After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortions in the United States actually went up, in part because of a novel legal strategy that pitted blue states against red states.Pam Belluck, who covers health and science for The Times, discusses that strategy and explains how proceedings against a New York doctor could take it apart.Guest: Pam Belluck, a health and science reporter at The New York Times.Background reading: The Louisiana case appears to be the first time criminal charges have been filed against an abortion provider for sending pills into a state with a ban.From 2024: Abortion shield laws are a new war between the states.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

27/05/2025 • 25:21

A session with Terry Real, a marriage and family therapist, can get uncomfortable. He’s known to mirror and amplify the emotions of his clients, sometimes cursing and nearly yelling, often in an attempt to get men in touch with the emotions they’re not used to honoring.Real says men are often pushed to shut off their expression of vulnerability when they’re young as part of the process of becoming a man. That process, he says, can lead to myriad problems in their relationships. He sees it as his job to pull them back into vulnerability and intimacy, reconfiguring their understanding of masculinity in order to build more wholesome and connected families.In this episode, Real explains why vulnerability is so essential to healthy masculinity and why his work with men feels more urgent than ever. He explains why he thinks our current models of masculinity are broken and what it will take to build new ones.This episode was inspired by a New York Times Magazine piece, “How I Learned That the Problem in My Marriage Was Me” by Daniel Oppenheimer.For more Modern Love, search for the show wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Wednesday. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

25/05/2025 • 37:09

For the past week, an international outcry has been building, particularly in Europe, over Israel’s plans to escalate its military campaign in Gaza and over its two-month-long blockade, which has put Gaza’s population on the brink of starvation.On Wednesday in Washington D.C., two Israeli Embassy staffers were shot and killed by a man who chanted “Free Palestine” afterward.Aaron Boxerman, who covers Israel and Gaza for The Times, explains the desperate situation in Gaza … and Israel’s fears that the world has become an increasingly dangerous place for its people.Guest: Aaron Boxerman, a reporter for The New York Times covering Israel and Gaza.Background reading: Britain, France and Canada have condemned Israel’s expansion into Gaza.Israel said it eased its blockade, but Gazans are still waiting for food.Here’s what we know about the deadly shooting outside the Jewish Museum in D.C.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.  Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

23/05/2025 • 29:12

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