Philadelphia's longest running music podcast (we think), with your host, Dan Drago. Conversations with artists and community, intimate musical performances, in-depth discussions on performing, touring, recording, and being alive.
It's Philly Music Fest time again, and this year, Dan had one major interview on his wishlist: The Dillinger Escape Plan. Thankfully, Dan got his wish, and he and DEP bassist Liam Wilson have an indepth conversation about Liam's early days in the Philadelphia hardcore and metal scene, joining The Dillinger Escape Plan in 2000, and the wild ride that ensued. Liam is also the current bassist for melodic death metal pioneers In Flames, and is part of the "supergroup" Azusa, which features members of Extol. The Dillinger Escape Plan are part of this year's Philly Music Fest lineup, and are playing October 15th at Underground Arts with Pyhrron and Caged. Tickets are currently still available, go to the festival's website for up to date information. 2026 marks Philly Music Fest's 10th year as a non-profit music festival. All the proceeds from the 7 nights of shows go to Philadelphia music charities that offer music instruction and experiences to the youth of Philadelphia.
9/29/26 • 80:12
Grace Gardner hails from Texas, but has come to love their home in Philadelphia, and how Philadelphians express themselves. John talks with Grace about their love of their home state, the "New Orleans shaped hole" that will always be in their heart, and how their West Philadelphia neighbors are far kinder than anyone back home would have led them to believe. Grace goes in depth into the making of both their recent albums, 'Recovery Mile' and 'After Knowing', and their collaborative relationship with their guitarist and producer Lonnie Davis. We're thrilled that Grace chose to perform an unreleased song, "My Mistake", on the show. Check out the full performance on our YouTube. Grace is playing this year's Xponential Music Festival on September 19 on the Marina Stage. The Xponential Music Fest is September 18-20 at Wiggins Park on the Camden waterfront. Tickets, schedule and all information is available on WXPN's website.
9/15/26 • 84:21
During his trip home this summer, Dan knew he had to sit down with WXPN's Mike Vasilikos. Mike is the mid-day host at WXPN, as well as the host of Homegrown- The XPN Local Show, and a tireless champion of Philadelphia music. Dan and Mike get deep into Mike's upbringing on Long Island, his early love of Dave Matthews, and growing up with a cassette tape at the ready to record his favorite songs off the radio (a definitive elder millennial practice). A chance spotting of a flyer at Towson University for their college radio station got Mike on the air for the first time, and the rest was history. Mike extolls his love of Philadelphia bands like Cosmic Guilt, Te Vista, The Dawn Drapes, Ali Awan, and so many more. WXPN's annual music festival, XPonential Fest, is September 18-20 at Wiggins Park on Camden Waterfront. Tickets are available as 3-day and single day passes, and this year features some great Philadelphia artists like Grace Gardener, Zoe Lemon, Te Vista, Daniel Villareal, The Flying Vees, and many more.
9/1/26 • 75:12
Summer continues to perpetuate itself, and with comes a new playlist. 12 new tracks from Philadelphia artists are on display here for listening enjoyment. As always, check out the clickable playlist below and support the artists that you love. Flight Of Mavis- Holding Me Back Quarry- You've Changed Lia Menaker- Feed Me Sovei- January Beatrix Thorn- Gambler's Fallacy Planette Automatic- Mrs. Blue Dude In The Pocket featuring John Faye- I'll Be There Moustapha Noumbissi- Adeline Radiator Hospital- A Fine Vintage Jodaki- TARGET CAPITALISM Barney Cortez- Kill Your Heroes Muscle Tough- Sucked Into The Phone
8/18/26 • 59:31
We're back from our brief but rejuvenating break. Dan is back in Hong Kong. But while he was in the USA this summer, he and John did a handful of interviews with Philadlephia music community people that we know you'll love. Joe Makoviecki fronts the band Jackson Pines, a folk band originally from the Pine Barrens region of New Jersey. Joe has called Philadelphia home for the last decade, but he has always been deeply involved in the New Jersey music world. On top of their original music, Joe and the band have made multiple volumes of recordings of traditional New Jersey Pine Barrens folk music, going back to the 19th century. Dan and Joe go deep into the history and traditions of Pine Barrens folk music, as well Joe's journey as a musician who started out in punk and emo bands. Pay-to-play shows, touring, spending time in the Library of Congress, working with the Bruce Springsteen Center for American Music, working with the Felice Brothers, and so much more gets covered in this conversation. Jackson Pines have a new LP out of their original tunes called 'Wheel', available wherever you get your digital music. And do check out 'Pine Barrens Vol. 1' and 'Pine Barrens Vol. 2', the band's collections of traditional New Jersey folk music.
8/4/26 • 65:40
Here's the short version: Dan and John were supposed to do a live podcast event at The Grape in Manayunk, but due to circumstances out of everyone's control, the event had to be cancelled. So they looked around at what else was happening that day, and decided to head over to Clark Park Fest in West Philadelphia. They ended up recording interviews and performances with a handful of the bands at this year's fest, including folk like Erin Fox, Moustapha Noumbissi, Miss Olivia, Max Davey, and Kuf Knotz and Christine Elise. Dan brings festival organizer Ben Perkel on the show to chat a bit about the event and some of the behind the scenes action as well. In the end, they took a frown and turned it upside down with a great day hanging out in West Philly and seeing some outstanding Philly music. We're taking the next few weeks off. Dan and John are busy getting the late summer and early fall episodes together, and Dan still has to fly back to Hong Kong at some point. So we'll be back very soon with some great interviews and music to share with you all.
7/7/26 • 71:30
The June playlist is here, and it is (as always) outstanding. Do check out the clickable playlist below, it has links to every artist included in this episode. Labrador- The Rosy Red World Hurry- Moving After You (feat. Gerard Love) Log Flume- Up By 9 O'Clock Caroline Quinn- Clanker Erin Fox- Orchard Lo Priestess- The Faker Brittany Ann Tranbaugh- When Our Timing's Right Nervous Nikki and the Chill Pills- That One Time Humbleman Band- No Kings Planette Automatic- Dance Around Jojo and the Grease- The Stage Night Windows feat. Love? Said The Commander- Josie
6/16/26 • 59:40
Labrador frontman Pat King sits down with John to talk about growing up in the rural Hudson Valley, being exposed to a lot of art and music through his father, and how countless family trips to New York City convinced him he was a city guy. Pat also talks about his bands, getting away from practicing them to death, and writing more like John Prine. He shares a performance of a new song, "Slow Down, King", from Labrador's new album. The new Labrador LP, 'The Rosy Red World' is out June 5th on No Way Of Knowing Records. The band will play on June 12th at Johnny Brenda's with Old Souls and Maxwell Stern and the Good Light Band. They'll also be down in Newark, DE on June 13 at Newark Bike Project with Death By Indie and Red Birds. We're having a party! 25 O'Clock will be doing a live taping on June 20th at The Grape in Manayunk. RSVP here, the event is free. There will be conversations with and live performances from The Blackburns and Máty, as well as plenty of hang-out time. Do attend.
6/2/26 • 59:05
John sits down with Reese Florence in her home to talk about songwriting, stillness, and how live recordings can make the best albums. Reese raves about her neighborhood of Germantown, and even graces us with a new song called "Laura Palmer" from her upcoming release. Dan is back in the USA! And we're doing a live podcast event on 6/20 at The Grape in Manayunk. It's free, it's from 1-4:30pm, and it will be a great time. RSVP at the link above. Do attend.
5/20/26 • 48:22
We've got 12 new tracks from Philadelphia artists for your listening enjoyment. Highlights include new music from Keaton Thandi, Lovecartel, JULITH, Squiggler, and so much more. Check out the clickable playlist below, and support the artists you love! Party Nerves- 1-900-PROMETHAZINE Keaton Thandi- Anyway You Want It JULITH- Phantom Limb Dominy- Golden Age Squiggler- Hey Man You're The Best The Extensions- Say I Can (Live) Bethlehem and Sad Patrick- Breezy Catbite- I Wish I Had A Date Lovecartel- Paradoxica Greg Mendez- Gentle Love/Frog Honey Badgers- I Am A Garden Ben O'Neill Trio- Waves We're getting a jump on June's playlist, so if you're a Philadelphia artist, please send your track and press info to dan.drago@25oclockpod.com.
5/5/26 • 52:05
John talks with Máty Rodriguez about growing up in New Jersey, her early days playing DIY shows, embracing all styles of music, her love of Sza, and how playing "Patience" by Guns N Roses will bring the house down every time. Máty shares the process of making her newest EP, working with her producer Justin, and how to use social media to say real things about yourself. Máty's latest EP, 'Stand Up Show', is out now wherever you get your digital music. She'll be at Thunderbird House on May 2nd to celebrate the EP release, and supporting the Kulfigirls vinyl release show on June 5th at Warehouse On Watts.
4/21/26 • 45:32
Cliff Hillis has spent a lot of his musical career saying "yes" and then figuring it out. Dan talks to Cliff about all his roles in music: songwriter and singer, cowriter, guitar tech, touring musician, collaborator, and so much more. Cliff talks about his days playing Rehoboth Beach bars with his brother to working with bands like The Innocence Mission, Starbelly, John Faye Power Trip, Patty Smyth, US Rails, and his current gig as bassist for The Orchestra (featuring members of ELO and ELO II). They also talk about the great Philadlephia music tribute (created by Hooter's drummer Dave Uosikkinen), In The Pocket, which Cliff has been fortunate enough to be a part of for years. And no conversation with Cliff would be complete without mulling over the oft-debated genre label that is "power pop". Cliff is currently on tour with The Orchestra, and is finishing up a brand new EP of his own music, coming out later in 2026.
4/7/26 • 81:31
We've got eleven new tracks for you from Philadelphia artists, and there's always a little something for everyone. Check out the clickable playlist below, it'll take you to each artist's website/social media/etc, and you can support the music you love. If you're a Philadelphia area band, you can submit your music to dan.drago@25oclockpod.com. Include a link to where the song can be downloaded, as well as any press sheets/EPKs/info about your band. We give all styles and genres consideration, it's just gotta be from around Philly. King Pine- Work To Do Night Windows- In Circles Abi Reimold- Picking Stones Susan Werner- Eldest Daughter Brittany Ann Tranbaugh- Lucky Broke Girl Erin Fox- Raised The DelCobras- Get Closer Octopus Knife Fight- Eyes Up Comprador- Perfect Anyone Hit Like A Girl- Once And For All (I Gotta Forget You) Peace Fortress- Cool Nuns
3/24/26 • 53:44
John talks with Maxwell Stern about growing up in Cleveland, the midwest punk scenes he began playing music in, moving to Philadelphia and finding a whole new community there, songwriting, and his love of The Clash (among many others). Maxwell's latest LP, 'In the Good Light' is out now wherever you get your digital music, as well as on his Bandcamp page. Follow Maxwell Stern on IG to stay up to date on his releases and tour dates (including a big Philadelphia show at Johnny Brenda's on June 12th with Labrador and Old Souls).
3/10/26 • 60:51
We've got thirteen new tracks for your ears this month. If you're a band or artist in the greater Philadelphia area, send your music to dan.drago@25oclockpod.com, we're always happy to hear what's coming out. Check out the clickable playlist below, it links to you to every artist featured on this episode so you can support the music you discover and love. Stone Cold Grace- You're Always Leaving Moonroof- Massachusetts Cadre Noir- Summer Cold James Haro- Take Your Medicine Flanimal- Black Ice Josh Craft- Reasons I Don't Like You Clover- Forever Getting To Know You Bright Kelly- Sitcom Women In Sports- Sunlight The Blackburns- A Reunion Show Brother Of Monday- Andy The Bret Tobias Set- Sepviva Shuffle Jackson Pines- Open Up the Door
2/24/26 • 61:43
Sara Johnson is often known by her solo project Stone Cold Grace, under which she has been putting out music for quite. John Vettese sits down with Sara in her home to talk about her love of Jeff Buckley, her guitar playing journey, how to be creative in your spare time when you're also a creative for a living, Caring Less (the band she fronts), spinning epic 9 hour sets at 48 Record Bar in Old City, how her best writing comes out, and so much more. Sara performs an achingly gorgeous song called "Always Leaving" from her upcoming EP. The new Stone Cold Grace EP is out later this year, and the latest single, "To Die To Come Back To Die", is out now wherever you get your digital music. She has a preview event for the EP at 48 Record Bar on March 22nd.
2/10/26 • 54:04
It's the first playlist episode fo 2026, and we are coming in strong. Lots of great Philadelphia artists have music coming out in the first few months of this year, and this is just a small sampling of what's out there. As always, click the playlist below to go right to the artists you love and make sure you support them. Love? Said The Commander- Eventide I Think Like Midnight- Polydactyl Gladie- Car Alarm Mikeal Anthony Greto and The Flood- Fade Into The Night Barney Cortez- Jigsaw Puzzle Greg Etter- Driving Through The Dark Vocabularies- Patron Saint Ronald Reagan? The Actor?- Breach Stone Cold Grace- To Die, To Come Back, To Die Nicole Saphos Band- Consumed Jay Carlis w. Brittany Ann Tranbaugh- Things I Can't See
1/27/26 • 55:44
Andrew Harris fronts The Naked Sun, a band that's been part of the Philadelphia community for over a decade. And when Dan hit him with the word "decade", Drew is still trying to wrap his head around it. Drew talks about the nearly three year process that went into making their newest LP, how their songwriting as a band has become more democratic and open, why he'll always return to Miner Street Studios to work with Brian McTear and Amy Morrissey, and how teaching literature and poetry helps him write some of his best lyrics. 'Mirror In The Hallway' is the newest LP from The Naked Sun, and will be available January 30th wherever you get music. The band will play a record release show at the Fallser Club in East Falls on January 30th, alongside McTear and Morrissey's band Bitter Bitter Weeks.
1/13/26 • 79:42
2025 is closing out, and we're taking a look at music that we loved from the year, as well as sharing holiday and year-end messages from some of our contributors. Big thanks to Nate Runkel, Drew Harris, Phillip reese, and John Vettese for sending messages this year, and thanks to all the contributors at 25 O'Clock in 2025. We couldn't make this happen without everyone involved. Enjoy the ever-standard clickable playlist below, and have great holiday and a happy new year. The Bret Tobias Set- For Christ's Sake Brittany Ann Tranbaugh w. Carsie Blanton- Office Christmas Party G. Love and Special Sauce- When I Bust Minka- Cowboy The Naked Sun- Dreamin' Polaroid Fade- Fisher Gardens Planette Automatic- Twins in the Caul Sug Daniels- Brand New Day Parts Work- Trenton Dear Forbidden- Spotted Tiger
12/23/25 • 74:41
The Maks are a trio of veteran Philadelphia musicians who were just starting to maybe think about being a band when they ended up as the opener on a sold out show, and everything just took off from there. Long standing supporter of the podcast Maggie Poulos (and founder of boutique PR firm Mixtape Media) talks with all three Maks: Melissa Menago, Angelique Zuppo, and Karina Patricelli, as well as their manager, Wendy Rollins. The band talks about things moving fast, how they write, produce and perform, and what they want to see happen for them in the next year. They break down how they wrote their song, "The Boulder", for the WXPN 24 Songwriting Contest, and what each of them brings to the table in the trio. The Maks have multiple singles out now wherever you get your digital music, and are working hard at a full length for 2026. They'll be playing a benefit show called Hope In Harmony, benefitting Women In Transition, a domestic abuse treatment center in Philadelphia, at 118 North on December 21st with Alexis Cunningham and Stone Cold Grace.
12/9/25 • 82:53
Philadelphia music has a rich and long history, spanning every style imaginable, from jazz and soul to art rock to opera to doo wop and everything else. And who better to helm a book about the city's extensive music offerings than Electric Factory founder, Live Aid/Live 8 co-creator and Cobb's Creek native Larry Magid. Dan gets back in the interviewer seat for the first time in a while to talk with Larry about the thing that drives them both: the ever expanding Philadelphia music story. Larry tells Dan about growing up in West Philly, dances, the Uptown, and early American Bandstand (before it went national). One Saturday night changed his life when he found himself in the DJ booth with Jimmy "Cannonball" Parsons, and his already rabid appetite for music became his path. Larry talks about the oft-overlooked Atlantic City Pop Festival in 1969 (just two months before Woodstock), early concerts at the Spectrum (and why bands loved that arena so much), and how he thinks Philadelphia audiences may be the most influential audiences of the rock and roll era. They also discuss the new book of Philadelphia music history that Larry organized, covering nearly every corner of Philadelphia music over the years. "The Philadelphia Music Book: Sounds Of A City" is out now via Camino Books, and is available wherever you buy your books. It features over a dozen contributors on a wide variety of Philadelphia music genres, and all the proceeds go to support the Philadelphia Music Alliance, an organization that creates, support and sponsor programs that enrich and strengthen Philadelphia's musical community.
11/24/25 • 84:31
After a few weeks break, we're back with another playlist episode. Enjoy these new tracks from Philadelphia artists, and remember to check out the clickable playlist below. Go support the bands and artists you love! Cadre Noir- Beach Dance Rob Rapp- To the Flag Laura Feigin- Attic Kat Rivers and the Second Sight- RED The Blackburns- Chances On Love Sun Within- Synthesis + Realization Marielle Kraft- What Do I Do With Happy? Justin Kerecz- True Love Will Find You In the End The Circus Hearts- Why Should The Devil have All the Fun? The Dawn Drapes- Counterweight Zoe Lemon w. Ahna Ell & Abigail Dempsey- Summer's Over (Who's Gonna Tell You?) Parts Work- No Flowers Steve Gunn- Hadrian's Wall
11/11/25 • 55:21
It's Philly Music Fest, and we wanted to highlight one more artist playing the fest this year. KulfiGirls are Abi, Joan, Adesole, and Stephanie, and they are all on the show. Nate Runkel of Yo That's My Jawn is sitting in the host chair this week, and he talks with KulfiGirls about it all: how they met, how they formed up as a band, all the work that went into their LP 'Divinity', the pain of mixing your own record (props to Joan on that one), and how they're constantly floored when people come up to tthe band and tell them how much their music means to them. It's a rare feat to get all members of a band on one conversation, and to have it flow so seamlessly. You'll have a love not only for their music, but for how they work together as a group. KulfiGirls are playing Philly Music Fest on October 18th at Underground Arts with The Wonder Years and Caracara (who were guests way back on #230). Go to the PMF site for more info on that show and all the other shows this week at venues around Philadelphia. KulfiGirls will also be at Milkboy on November 19th, and in Brooklyn at The Meadows on December 13th. The album 'Divinity' is available now wherever you get your digital music. In honor of Philly Music Fest, all sales of our compilation, 'Want To Play A Song?: Live On 25 O'Clock Vol.1', go to strengthen the charitable giving of the festival. If you can't make it to a show and still want to support the work of PMF and their contributions to the music charities of Philadlephia, you can buy a digital copy of the compilation at our Bandcamp.
10/14/25 • 80:01
John and Paige have a truly career spanning chat with Adam Shumski, drummer in Philadelphia bands like Planette Automatic (formerly The Lunar Year), and Brittany Ann Tranbaugh, as well as the newest addition to the New York based group Bodega. Adam talks about growing up influenced by his older brother's records, how studying jazz drumming made him ready to play anything, whether or not he'd ever be a "singing drummer", being encouraged to write more, and that he alway has time for "one more project". He also goes into detail about international touring life with Bodega, and working with Jim Eno (Spoon) on the new Planette Automatic LP. Planette Automatic is playing Philly Music Fest on October 18th at The Fallser Club (their first yea as part of the fest) with Saide Gust, Chioke, and Catie Turner. Photo by Paige Walter
10/7/25 • 56:12
September is almost gone, and autumn is nearly in full swing (at least in some places), and Philadlephia artists are putting out amazing music, as is to be expected. Dan presents you with 12 tracks from Philadlephia artists, so make sure you check out the clickable playlist below, and support the ones you love! 1. Work Drugs- On The Corner 2. DelCobras- Someday Soon 3. The Describers- I Ate The Sun and Sky 4. Zinadelphia- Call Nancy 5. Emily Drinker- Turn Your Face To the Sun 6. Fawziyya Heart- All I See (w. Megatronic) 7. Sadie Gust- Dopamine 8. Dear Forbidden- The Devil 9. Gnatcatcher- Hey Judas 10. Red Desert Motel- Dancing At The Country Bar 11. Right Half- Air Guitar 12. Algernon Cadwallader- Attn MOVE (Photo by Dan, Xponential Fest 2022)
9/23/25 • 62:49
John and Paige are back, and they're sitting down with Grace Koon of Grace Vonderkuhn. Grace talks about the music community in Wilmington, Delaware, and how being even just a little outside of the greater Philadlephia area can change the whole way you form and flourish as a band. She talks about her bandmates, Brian Bartling and DaveMcGrory, and how they've refined the sound of the band over ten years together. And she takes us all through the long process that it took to release their newest LP, 'In The Morning', out now wherever you get your digital music, and also available on vinyl from the band's website. Grace is kind enough to play us an acoustic version of "Be Mine" from the new record. The band plays their release show on September 12th at Kelly's Logan House in Wilmington, and will head up to South Philadelphia on September 18th to play at Century. Dan keeps you all up to speed with his life over in Hong Kong, and some of the upcoming shows he hopes to catch this year (Any of y'all ever heard of the Clockenflap?). Enjoy the beginnings of fall wherever you are. We'll be putting out a new playlist episode at the end of this month, so if you're a Philadelphia artists and have new material that you want to share, send it our way to dan.drago@25oclockpod.com. Episode photo by Paige Walter
9/9/25 • 44:18
Back at it again with another playlist, featuring 11 tracks of new music from Philadelphia's finest artists. As always, check out the clickable playlist below, and go support the bands and artists you like. 1. Abi Reimold- High Tide 2. Jared Feinman- Bleeding Orange 3. Bel- Canadian Tuxedo 4. Brittany Ann Tranbaugh and Joe Plowman- See What Grows 5. Grace Vonderkuhn- Forever Loved 6. Planette Automatic- Wild Mountain Camp 7. Sug Daniels- Brand New Day 8. Bright Kelly- Playlist 9. The Circus Hearts- Honey Don't 10. Grocer- El Toro 11. Naked Sun- Make Believe
8/18/25 • 57:29
Welcome our newest guest host, Judah Kim! Judah talks with Blue Barnett of Best Bear, and it's a very open and honest conversation about all the things that go into being an independent musician, a songwriter, and an anxious human. Blue talks about touring, both with Best Bear and as the touring bassist for Hit Like A Girl, and all the logistics and work that goes into making music on the road happen. Judah and Blue both discuss how they deal with being out of step with their peers and family when it comes to having such an unorthodox career in music. The latest Best Bear album, 'When', is out now wherever you get your digital music. Judah Kim's latest single, "It's Less Dangerous" is also out now and available on all music platforms. Check out Judah's first appearance on the podcast back on #316 as a guest, it's an outstanding episode.
8/5/25 • 70:02
July brings us 10 new tracks from Philadelphia artists. Be sure to check out the clickable playlist below and support the ones you like. In the meantime, Dan will let you know about shows, upcoing events, and how he survived a T10 typhoon this last wekeend in Hong Kong (a typhoon is a hurricane in the Pacific). Enjoy the music! 1. The Bret Tobias Set- Happiness Writes White 2. Automatic Love- Heaven You Must Be 3. Erin and Fox and John Faye- Swing And A Miss 4. Caroline Quinn- Lost For Words 5. Nervous Nikki and the Chill Pills- Nerves Of Glass 6. Suzanne Sheer- Me and My Friends 7. Moonroof- Can't Say No To You 8. Dominic Angelella- Smoking At The Lakehouse 9. Jackson Pines- Evergreen ft Julia DiGrazia 10. Maria Mirenzi- Let It Steep
7/22/25 • 47:21
Dan shares a conversation between The Flying Vees and Phillip Reese of Your Next Favorite Band. Originally airing back in April, the band members Brechyn Chase, Shannon Vasile, Caitlin Ramsey, and Hannah Taylor talk about how they all met and formed the band back in 2018. Even though they can go a while between times they see each other, they're able to dial in quickly when they get chance to rehearse and perform, and their harmonies and stage show are proof of how naturally this all comes to them. The Flying Vees have a brand new EP coming out, and they'll be celebrating with a release show on Sunday, July 13th at the Philadelphia Ethical Soceity in Rittenhouse Square (an absolutely gorgeous space to see live music). Show starts at 5pm, so get there early to see the band that long-time Philadelphia music promoter Jesse Lundy prasies as "Cooler than G. G. Allin." Special thanks to Phillip Reese and the team over at Your Next Favorite Band for graciously letting us give this interview an encore release. Check out Your Next Favorite Band to, appropriately, discover your next favorite band. If you're heading to Musikfest up in Bethlehem, PA this August, let YNFB take the guesswork out of who to go see with their daily coverage of the fest, as well as their Musikfest Exordium on July 29th to get you up to speed before the fest starts.
7/8/25 • 65:03
