Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
Send us Fan MailPhoto of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Druckershow notes:1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency9:25 her use of embroidery10:40 filmmaking11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum 18:50 power of art22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann 23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work 26:15 her work on Jewish personhood 34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery 41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home42:45 her definition of justice / injustice 45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice49:30 use of vintage textiles51:45 coffee table book52:45 2027 NY show53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her workPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
5/3/26 • 60:13
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Ronnie Stephens' site and view his TEDx Talk1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma 6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020)9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act17:00 management of allotted land19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land 24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine31:55 Dark Winds series33:30 policy shifts needed 38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity 46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws55:00 definition of justice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
4/19/26 • 64:06
Send us Fan MailPhotographer credit: Simon StrongHere is more information about Alana Kushnir and Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers.Show Notes:1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 433:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency8:00 antisemitism in the arts 13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation 15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self.23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla"31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering)33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre46:50 moral courage as a form of justice48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty 49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio 50:05 Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
3/28/26 • 53:32
Send us Fan MailShow notes:1:30 background3:30 My English Persian Kitchen5:15 Sheherazade, narrator of One Thousand and One Nights5:45 My English Persian Kitchen author Atoosa Sepehr’s efforts to address misconceptions about Iranians 7:30 Reading Lolita in Tehran9:45 choice of roles that challenge the stereotype about Iranians10:10 Apple TV series Tehran12:00 defenders of human rights14:25 response to Iran’s formal and psychological censorship of creative community16:45 Artist Soheila Sokhanvari18:30 Women Life Freedom movement21:00 global response to human rights’ violations in Iran23:00 the meaning of justice in terms of accountability 24:20 future projects27:25 legacy / mark of her work 28:55 creative process and connection with other creativesPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
2/22/26 • 31:53
Send us Fan Mailmultidisciplinary artist/visual journalist/filmmaker/education worker Bayeté Ross SmithShow Notes:2:00 Bayeté Ross Smith’s background, work and collaboration7:00 relevance of colonialism in transnational issues 9:50 collective brain trust/collective culture14:30 employing technology with storytelling20:30 creatives’ protection of their metadata24:40 “art” and “data” as information 27:50 “human authorship” and copyright 34:25 bias proliferation with AI39:40 power of art and media to raise awareness 44:50 “restorative justice” to mitigate and deter harm so individuals can flourish54:00 current and future projects, including Got the Power Boomboxes: Sugar Cane and Cotton, Hip Hop 50 Boombox, video game project and collaboration with legal communityPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
2/1/26 • 60:50
Send us Fan MailPlease visit Steven Gambardella's site here to learn more. Show Notes:1:15 background in the arts4:00 Dutch philosopher Spinoza’s parallels with Hellenistic philosophies5:20 Gambardella’s Become As You Are7:30 “Stoic Kitsch” blog post 9:00 individual agency and collective action11:00 crisis of agency11:20 emergence of stoicism14:00 four-fold root of virtue20:10 four facets of autonomy, perspective, objectivity and control and their relation to the four virtues of wisdom, moderation, justice and courage/fearlessness21:25 Steven's blog 21:45 Stoic view of justice relates to ignorance26:00 moralism27:00 Seneca, tutor and advisor to Roman emperor Nero32:00 applying ancient Stoic ideas in current day35:35 Stoicism and Philosophy Reading Group 38:30 summary of Stoicism: Virtue is the only good; and you have full control over the domain of your soul/your “inner citadel”40:20 Stoicism at a crossroads 43:45 his hope to contribute to a revolution of the soul that encourages a view of the world that is more holistic and spiritual45:40 Question from Susanne van der Meer about the paradox in Stoicism about the responsibility of agency versus a Stoic view of incarceration 55:00 Stoic view of fear and desire1:00:00 Comments from Emily GouldPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
1/18/26 • 63:41
Send us Fan MailIP attorney Massimo SterpiMassimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido Show Notes:1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area5:10 generative AI and copyright6:20 copyrighted works as training data 12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24)14:20 fair use in the US17:05 copyright of outputs23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese"26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI32:30 harmonisation 34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy"43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics”44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity47:55 different standards of creativity 48:30 neighboring rights for AI50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works”50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved52:40 Agentic AI Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
1/4/26 • 55:27
Send us Fan MailLink here to learn more about Marina Heintze.Show Notes:1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father3:30 Heintze’s use of materials5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness 7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence”8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters11:20 archival research used in her work13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul" 15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations 19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice21:50 work related to B2 bombers22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice 34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment 42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts 48:10 camouflage IP50:30 design of Arab nation flagsPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
12/21/25 • 53:15
Send us Fan MailPhotographer credit for Anja Neubauer: self-portrait created with an AI tool.Show Notes:2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech13:30 Getty v. Stability finding outputs are not copies so not infringements14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms17:05 US state and federal laws 19:00 need for unified global protection19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 21:40 Defining originality 22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries57:25 Lebofsky’s workPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
12/7/25 • 59:43
Send us Fan MailShow Notes:1:45 Lawrence Badzin - introduction of The Surviving Project5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition7:00 Wings of Hope messages9:00 stories from the delegation10:15 exhibition mission11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on16:30 legacy of the exhibition 18:00 Through Their Eyes ExhibitionPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
11/23/25 • 19:52
Send us Fan MailOluwatobi Aluko photo by Praise SamuelShow Notes:2:50 Tobi Aluko–Nigerian copyright 5:30 Nigeria’s national AI strategy and creative sector 7:25 Emily Gould – query on tech sector’s strength in Nigeria9:40 debate over UK’s copyright provision for machine-generated work11:40 Johan Brandstedt - Sweden’s approach to copyright 13:40 Czech Republic case on AI and copyrightability 16:40 Aluko – prompting versus creating art that involves effort/process19:00 US copyright for A Single Piece of American Cheese 20:30 Prof. Ahmed Elgammal - background of AI use in the arts23:45 19th C. French case on copyright of photographs that show originality 24:45 US refusal to copyright AI outputs 26:35 Bartz v. Anthropic and Kadrey v. Meta 30:45 AICAN project32:55 GAN-based art movement celebrated prior to prompting33:55 “Text-to-Image Generators Have Altered the Digital Art Landscape—But Killed Creativity. Here’s Why an Era of A.I. Art Is Over”34:25 artists survey on value from AI37:15 backlash of Christies’ auction of Generative AI works 41:50 Elgammal – effort versus intentionality e.g., DuChamp/ready-made art42:30 intentionality and agency missing with prompting and random output 51:40 AI's cultural impact 1:04:30 Beethoven X project Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
11/2/25 • 74:17
Send us Fan MailShow Notes:1:30 background2:45 shift to add activist element to her art4:00 response to 7 October 2023 during residency at LMCC 5:30 ‘artivism’5:45 workshop at Israeli American Council event6:45 Rosh Hashanah gift for families of hostages9:00 how her work facilitates justice12:30 defining justice through recognition and healing13:20 work as a curator to connect voices13:50 “Artists on Antisemitism” exhibition 15:00 co-curated with director of Jewish Art Salon15:40 LA-based artist Marina Heinze included in exhibition 15:45 Joan Roth17:30 Ronit’s “David” kisses painting included in exhibition 19:40 Chai meaning alive 19:50 use of technology in her work as a bridge for global participation21:40 heat-activated work that shows happiness levels like mood rings23:25 Stefania Salles Bruins: connection between art and justice making whole26:00 work by Marina Heinze in Artists on Antisemitism exhibition 27:10 other exhibitions she has curated27:50 work in the antisemitism exhibition 28:40 fellowship in Germany in collaboration with German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) - art's importance in memory and justice29:00 urgency of keeping the Holocaust alive in the conversation today29:45 murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska30:00 to hold and carry memory forward to inspire vigilance and resilence 30:40 artists as witnesses of our time and responsibility to be an activist32:00 “Wandering Jew” project for 2026 Jerusalem Biennale34:00 Drawdy’s definition of justice 34:50 Drawdy’s focus on stories to highlight 35:20 Alan Robertshaw’s comments36:00 art speaking for itself 36:50 “Written in Water” and “Project Forgiveness” - 2018 NY Spring/BreakPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
10/19/25 • 40:45
Send us Fan MailCover photograph credit: Jessica MinorLink to PowerPoint presentation referenced in episode is available here.Show Notes:1:20 intro and background2:40 Slide 4 - Overview of Part I: 6 & ½ tips & tricks: 1 – perspective & point of view; 2 – Light; 2-1/2 – shadow; 3 – value / contrast; 4 – temperature; 5 – depth and illusion of 3-D; 6 – line5:00 Slide 5: Point 7 - Brushstrokes6:35 thickness of paint7:00 blending with dry brush8:00 Slide 6: Point 8 - Layering9:40 ‘fat over lean’ rule11:15 scumble – layer of opaque white 11:30 glaze – transparent layer over an underpainting12:40 Slide 7: Point 9 - Paint as a Language15:50 Slide 8: Point 10 - The Figure19:45 Slide 9: Point 11 – The Palette32:40 glazing 33:50 Slide 10: Point 12 – Studio Practice42:50 figurative group show with artist from Hip Bone Art Studio43:45 process of applying to shows45:00 narrative/figurative and surrealist approach to still life work46:05 artist statements48:45 sharing WIP and final works51:20 connection to the cranial optic nerve – thinking with our eyes when painting1:00:00 painting from imagination with focus on ‘technique in service of art’1:02:10 how to deal with writers’ block and painters’ blockPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
10/4/25 • 65:44
Send us Fan MailCover photo by Rhonda Dumas, Pieface Photography Show notes:2:00 Museum of Southern Jewish Experience beginning2012 MSJE moved to Jackson MS and became part of Institute of Southern Jewish Life 3:30 4th year in New Orleans4:50 MSJE’s mission5:45 Chapman Family Research Center6:00 archival vault – over 375 collections and over 4,000 artifacts7:20 genealogy workshops10:00 artifacts from southern Jewish general stores, e.g., 1890s saloon’s whiskey jug12:30 collection digitization 13:35 Jewish orphans’ home exhibition14:30 MSJE’s film15:20 A Better Life for Their Children exhibition18:00 Greetings From Main Street exhibition22:00 French Jews from Alsace-Lorraine23:00 Central European Jews 23:55 Galveston Plan – Rabbi Henry Cohen26:00 New Americans exhibition at St. Charles Parish Library26:30 love story of Joseph Sperling and Anni Frind 36:00 New American Clubs38:00 relevance of Holocaust survivors’ stories39:45 rapid response collecting 41:00 view of justice 42:00 lynching of Leo Frank and southern Jewish mayors44:00 social justice44:50 Howard Turner – rapid response collecting45:00 Emily Gould – slave trader memorials, e.g., Colston Statue in Bristol48:00 Confederate statues built often by the Daughters of the Confederacy50:45 future exhibition by MSJE on current war52:00 Turner: school visits at MSJE53:45 MSJE hours54:35 Shalom Y’all video, etc. on MSJE site56:00 visit to MSJE 56:55 interactive map on St. Charles streetcar line57:30 New Americans - upcoming MSJE exhibition Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
9/7/25 • 59:58
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Dr. Hartung's site. 2:30 Jonathan Petropoulos' Faustian Bargain: The Art World in Nazi Germany2:50 Hartung’s 2005 book, Art Theft in War and Persecution 3:25 representation in 2014 of Cornelius Gurlitt regarding the Gurlitt Trove5:20 Gurlitt exemplifies issues with Germany’s soft law towards art restitution6:50 twelve works from Gurlitt Trove confirmed as looted7:15 works from Gurlitt Trove with historical gaps in provenance8:50 Germany’s task force – 5 million Euros 10:20 degenerate art in Gurlitt Trove11:10 works on loan from private collections seized as degenerate 11:40 Paul Klee’s “Swamp Legend” from Sophie Küppers13:30 Kandinsky’s “The Colorful Life”–Irma Klein / Lewenstein Family17:10 Germany’s shift from advisory commission to an arbitration tribunal 22:30 restitution of “The Colorful Life"23:40 "Blick in Ebene" by Paul Adolf Seehaus to Koppel heirs24:10 Gibb's "Aeneas and his Family Fleeing Burning Troy" to Hartveld heirs24:35 Sir Justice Moses, chair of UK’s Spoliation Advisory Panel26:00 restitution-Waldmüller’s “Young Girl with Her Family” looted from Teresa Belthower; acquired by Nazi photographer Heinrich Hoffmann28:00 looted art scandal at Bavarian State Painting Collections 30:50 suit over Friedrich von Amerling’s “Girl with a Straw Hat”37:05 Emily Gould–restitution by Bavaria versus other German states 39:55 no formal restitution schemes in Spain and Belgium41:25 whistleblower from Bavarian State Painting Collections42:50 Markus Stötzel, attorney for Flechtheim heirs 44:00 Picasso’s “Madame Soler” taken from Paul von Mendelssohn-Bartholdy; Bavaria refused to accept its body’s restitution recommendation 47:20 Hartung’s view of justice48:00 Germany’s arbitration system-public versus private holders of work50:40 new framework’s guidelines-presumptions and burden 53:55 new framework’s guidelines-dealers and work on commission55:50 Hartung’s hope to contribute to higher justice and remembrance57:20 Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
8/3/25 • 69:18
Send us Fan MailTo learn more about Silvia Wistuba and her work, please visit here and here.Cover Image: Wistuba's adaptation of work by artist Julie Wolfthorn for the cover of Jugend magazine (1898).Show Notes0:00 Silvia Wistuba on equality of artists1:15 Wistuba’s background2:30 Gabriele Münter4:30 ‘Malweiber’ meaning 6:00 timeframe of ‘Malweiber’ labeling – 1871-19188:30 research process12:00 regional approach to research15:00 twelve female artists focused on in research16:30 finding that art is not gendered18:15 Charlotte Corinth21:30 Dora Hitz22:40 Maria Slavona24:25 Augusta von Zitzewitz25:20 Erma Bossi26:25 Elisabeth Epstein27:23 Maria Franck-Marc30:30 Gabriele Münter32:25 Elisabeth Erdmann-Macke34:25 Ida Gerhardi 36:30 Fifi Kreutzer37:55 Olga Openheimer40:30 range of resources 43:30 Blue Rider Group45:30 Gabriele Münter’s donation to Lenbachhaus (Munich) 49:00 Museum Art of the Lost Generation 51:30 current relevance53:30 need for discourse on art’s social context55:08 social justice for artists of the past55:20 defining justice as respect shown to all56:25 feedback58:10 challenging the sexist paradigm that art is gendered59:40 plans to convert thesis into book1:00:15 derogatory nature of term ‘Malweiber’1:01:45 cover image inspired by Julie Wolfthorn’s image Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
7/20/25 • 64:42
Send us Fan MailShow notes:0:00 Dr. Fiona Greenland discussing collabarative work with Curia co-founder Dr. Michelle Fabiana 2:00 Dr. Michelle Fabiani's background3:40 Dr. Greenland’s background5:40 collaboration between Greenland and Fabiani7:10 overview of Curia Lab9:40 Informatics, the science of information11:30 Syrian project - how robust and reliable data on scope of Syrian looting was with a review of remote sensing imagery 15:10 participants in Syrian project 17:20 Syrian project – evidence on whether there is a connection between Syrian civilian fatalities/casualties and cultural heritage looting22:45 prelude hypothesis 27:50 war in Ukraine and its effects on Ukrainian culture32:00 how the data is used to inform accountability 34:30 Greenland’s work with Conflict Observatory Ukraine36:00 Ukrainians’ current restitution, reparations and accountability efforts37:50 user guides for each area 42:30 Fabiani’s PhD project on Egyptian archeological looting 44:00 current project that builds on PhD project 46:00 impact of technology on their approach, including disinformation 50:00 complications created by AI, including generative AI54:00 perspective of skepticism required 56:30 online risks and need for mitigation58:15 how their work speaks to justice58:30 Miranda Fricker’s book Epistemic Injustice: Power and the Ethics of Knowing1:02:30 questions of justice for whom 1:05:30 Lauren Stein: question on the role of universities in Curia Lab1:07:50 hope for their work to establish frameworks of cooperation and collaboration that cherish equal access to knowledge/information that would then lead to equal access to accountability 1:09:10 hope for their work to facilitate a shift to a multi-disciplinary approach Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
6/15/25 • 72:54
Send us Fan MailSHOW NOTES:0:00 artist & attorney Gina McKlveen1:05 artist & retired judge Jerry Alonzo - the impact of depression3:00 documentary American Symphony 3:50 Suleika Jaouad - release she experienced by painting about cancer 6:00 Alonzo’s “Out of Balance” 6:40 “Civic Sacrement"8:20 woodwork during Alonzo’s time as a judge 9:00 “The Jury Box” 10:45 “The Judgment” 11:45 “Justice is God’s Plumb Line” 12:30 Environmental works like “Monstronse” 13:15 “Justice?” 14:15 “Passage”14:40 “Faltering”16:00 “Arc”16:25 asylum work inspired “Matthew 25” 20:30 importance of leaning into the pain21:35 Emily Gould’s comments23:30 American Symphony - leaning into anxiety through art26:25 McKlveen’s response to Alonzo’s work26:45 “Upturned House” by Phyllida Barlow 27:20 “Inflated Balloons” 27:50 Carnegie International 28:40 McKlveen’s work leaning into grief and loss29:35 “Fisherman on the Roof” 37:45 “Mermaid Mama”39:25 “Stay Wild”40:15 “Heather’s Mama”42:00 McKlveen’s grandparents44:50 portraiture versus still life works47:00 other artists who created still life paintings as portraits, e.g., Van Gogh48:30 Alonzo’s response to McKlveen49:05 Gould’s response to McKlveen49:45 Oluwatobi Aluko’s responsePlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
5/4/25 • 54:28
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Father Harmon's site.Show notes:1:15 Harmon’s background and work as priest since 20082:10 teaching fine arts and being a pastoral resource at Loyola University3:00 his work in the arts8:20 history of art in Jesuit community 12:00 Daniel Segers, Jesuit Priest and artist 12:30 Harmon’s process as a painter in light of being a ‘work of service’16:00 Harmon’s painting from pilgrimage through Spain17:30 students’ responses19:15 his attendance at New York Academy of Art 23:30 Jerry Alonzo: how to communicate through your art26:45 Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate 28:20 definition of ‘sacred art’30:30 seeking social justice through art32:00 his work in Brownsville, TX connected to his art33:00 his series of Catholic objects35:30 his balance of time37:25 Alan Robertshaw’s comments about all art being sacred42:10 Tolkien and Flannery O’Connor on religious imagination44:00 incorporating Catholic objects into his work46:50 Emily Gould - spiritual impact of artwork/architecture/nature49:15 Jarnick Vitters - importance of the physical objects to Harmon’s faith51:00 Alan Robertshaw - subjective importance of objects53:30 Yelena Khajekian - art as a sacred endeavor54:40 Nnebundo Obi - interest in hearing about priest’s pursuit of other vocations Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
4/13/25 • 57:29
Send us Fan MailShow notes:3:00 David Newhoff - question of authorship7:15 Peter Wasilko9:00 Andres Guadamuz - blog post on AI copyright authorship10:30 China’s focus on “intellectual achievement” 12:20 Section 9(3) of its Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 13:00 Emily Gould - whether copyright is fit for purpose 13:30 UK joint evidence session on the future of AI and copyright law 17:15 Newhoff - use of an artist’s style 18:40 Wasilko - an artist’s training of a model with its own work20:15 artist's post-stroke gen-AI recording from model training on his work21:00 Salles Bruins' question on definition of intellect 25:40 - Ankit Sahni - China’s protection28:30 Sahni - India’s position on creativity falls in the middle 29:00 Ankit Sahni - RAGHAV output “Suryast” 33:45 Sahni - protection of AI-assisted works by China’s courts 35:00 Wasilko - hypothetical-photo of sunsets on VR headsets36:50 Sahni - USCO’s case by case basis37:50 Newhoff - what is protectable against infringement39:30 Sarony: looking at human choices used to create photos41:00 Newhoff - ‘authorship by adoption’ is a “bridge too far”42:15 Bruins - question about training in Wasilko’s hypothetical43:10 Wasilko - “bridge too far”- license to “learn” from works48:00 Stanford’s CodeX Group - talk on product JudgeAI 50:30 Andres - human creativity exists irrespective of copyright 52:00 Salles Bruins - copyright is a tool to enable artists to profit 53:30 Kritika Sahni - defining intellect dependent on AI context 54:50 Ankit Sahni - sui generis system of registration 58:45 Gould-a right like copyright for outputs "tough" to get right1:02:00 Guadamuz - Ukraine’s sui generis right for AI works 1:03:45 Jason Jean - defining intellect 1:08:50 Newhoff - unconvinced that it’s a “sui generis question”1:09:30 Wasilko - whether inputting human work makes model “assistive”1:13:00 question of global copyright approach1:17:15 what Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
3/2/25 • 90:23
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Anja Neubauer's site.Show Notes:1:30 background in the law and tech 4:45 overview of global framework “AI and Authorship Redefined: Towards a Global Copyright Framework for Commerce and Human Originality - Exploring Ownership, Infringement, Moral Rights, and Human Originality”12:35 question of authorship19:35 moral rights26:30 viability of global copyright 28:20 issues of injustice raised by AI34:30 German study about developers’ infringement38:00 public’s choice to lock up data 39:00 The Congress Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
2/2/25 • 42:23
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Amineddoleh & Associates LLC and view Leila Amineddoleh performing Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3.Show Notes:1:00 Amineddoleh’s background and work in music and law4:00 Patty Gerstenblith 7:00 building Amineddoleh & Assoc.8:45 Amineddoleh's work with Greece 10:00 perspective as musician aids in work as attorney to other artists 11:00 Amineddoleh's experience with plagiarism 14:20 Amineddoleh’s practice15:45 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act19:50 artists’ perspectives in hiring an attorney 22:50 Jerry Alonzo: what brings artists to seek out Amineddoleh26:00 return of golden coffin of Nedjemankh 31:45 use of AI 36:30 AI-assisted Beatles song 37:45 analogy of photography to AI outputs38:20 Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto 39:45 suit over copyright of monkey selfie 41:45 Thaler v. USCO 44:30 Rupali Gujral: negotiating on a client’s behalf48:30 Stefania Salles Bruins: history of art collecting52:30 Bruins: Amineddoleh's balancing of legal and musical practices54:00 Amineddoleh’s perspective on sharing her music and performing56:30 Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 played by Bugs Bunny 57:20 Amineddoleh’s performance of Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3 59:00 under-appreciated composer Brahms 1:01:20 injustices in art law1:04:30 Amineddoleh’s definition of justice - access1:06:00 John Cage’s 4’33” Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
1/5/25 • 68:35
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Frances Liddell's site.Show Notes:0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology1:30 Liddell’s background2:50 CryptoKitties 3:50 NFTs5:20 ORAgen & DECaDE research centre 7:20 C2PA 8:15 tokenized rights9:45 ORA use cases10:30 themes from ORA interviews12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok13:00 smart contracts and licensing15:00 perspectives on attribution 16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source 26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 37:30 ORA project status38:15 ORAgen Fables39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 45:30 location of individuals interviewed47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 50:40 current work with ORA51:30 Oluwatobi AlukoPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
12/1/24 • 53:45
Send us Fan MailShow Notes:1:00 Anki Sanhi 1:45 Sahni’s background and work 5:00 Eric Raymond’s The Cathedral and the Bazaar - essay on open source development 6:40 association with the arts7:45 trademark enforcement work10:00 infringement case between client working in fashion space sued by global brand12:30 origin of the Raghav project16:45 process to use Raghav18:30 Van Gogh’s Starry Night 21:00 Raghav = Robust Artificially Intelligent Graphics and Arts Visualizer 21:45 Indian copyright application for “Suryast”25:40 Section 2(d) of Indian Copyright Act, definition of author 34:30 Canadian copyright application for “Suryast”35:35 Notice of Application filed in Canadian Federal Court by Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) against Sahni over “Suryast” 37:10 US copyright application for “Suryast” 37:35 Sahni’s US Counsel, Alex Garens, Esq. with Day Pitney 38:00 USCO decision on “Suryast” 43:30 India’s definition of ‘author’ - no qualifications 46:50 Parliamentary Standing Committee recommended creation of new right for AI works per Sahni’s recommendation47:05 February 2024 - Union Minister of State Commerce in India’s Parliament submitted that there is no need for creation of a new right and current legislation offers sufficient protection 48:45 ambiguity in Canada law on AI 49:40 USCO’s Request for Comments52:00 Sahni’s position of need for amendment of US law to address AI53:50 Optimus 54:50 Definition of justice56:30 global harmonized principles on AI57:30 injustice of humans unknowingly competing against AI due to historic suppression of AI use59:00 Sahni’s intent to contribute to the change in law to address AI1:00:00 consultation with Ryan Abbott, Esq. 1:00:50 Future projects 1:02:20 shaping issues where art and law intersect1:03:30 cultural impact of the debate over human authorship, AI and art1:04:30 comparison of photography to AIPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
11/10/24 • 68:16
Send us Fan MailCover Image: Artist's MFA Studio - Tribeca Ball.To learn more, please visit Stefania Salles Bruins' site.Show Notes:1:15 art school’s training to visually think2:00 Bruins’ work as attorney2:30 overview of grad program at New York Academy of Art5:00 medium: use of linseed oil and paint without medium5:30 tools: importance of brushes6:15 support: Bruins’ preference for aluminum7:15 Vincent Desiderio’s Cockaigne 8:00 Lesson 1 Perspective8:45 Point of View9:30 Lesson 2 Light 10:50 Lesson 2.5 Shadow11:30 Rembrandt’s The Nightwatch12:00 Lesson 3 Value 12:55 Lesson 4 Temperature13:05 Courbet’s The Madman or The Desperate Man 13:50 Steven Assael - king of temperature shifts 14:20 Lesson 5 Depth15:00 Value is King, Temperature is Queen and Color is a Fool 15:30 Lesson 6 Lines 15:40 shapes within da Vinci’s Mona Lisa 17:00 Adam Miller - narrative large oil paintings17:20 Carl Dobsky 17:30 NYAA Big Stories exhibit artist talk 18:00 transitions within grad school and post-grad19:40 learning to be your own voice of reason - parallel with work as general counsel20:55 Old Masters Rembrandt and Vermeer21:55 Alan Robertshaw: Vermeer’s use of optics23:00 SSB: application of illusions in cinema and inspiration from movies more than paintings24:00 Kubrick's Barry Lyndon 24:50 use of grids and projectors27:15 use of technical and human assistants28:45 critiques 30:00 art historical references to read the work 31:20 Nnebundo Obi: time commitments within art grad school32:50 Escoda brushes33:00 use of aluminum34:45 advice for individuals who want to begin painting35:30 always clean your brushes!see also:JP Roy's IG post re lightcheckerboard illusionPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
10/6/24 • 37:28
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit the World Culture Project and read about D. Paul Schafer's most recent book, The Great Cultural AwakeningShow Notes:0:00 Schafer quotes Gurte: “live in the whole , the good and the beautiful”2:15 background 7:50 Ontario Arts Council8:15 Arts Administration and Cultural Policy graduate program at York University8:45 freelancer-UNESCO, Canadian Dep’t of External Affairs9:25 publications predicated on argument that it’s time to shift from Economic Age to Cultural Age9:50 creation of the World Culture Project16:40 Culture: Beacon of the Future (1998)18:10 AI impact18:45 Geoffrey Hinton’s concerns over AI20:50 Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age (2008) 24:25 The World as Culture: Cultivation of the Soul to the Cosmic Whole (2022)30:05 The Great Cultural Awakening: Key to an Equitable, Sustainable and Harmonious Age (2024)42:30 future leaders should have backgrounds in the arts and culture sector46:50 Feedback received about The Great Cultural Awakening48:00 excerpt from The Great Cultural Awakening’s chapter titled Tale of Two Ages that references Charles Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities53:00 the power of art to address social injustice1:00:00 definition of justice1:02:20 Cultural Historian Johan Huizinga, author of The Waning of the Middle Ages1:04:20 legacy 1:06:40 future projectsPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
9/1/24 • 70:16
Send us Fan MailShow notes:1:20 background and work in IP law and technology2:20 blog article, “What can internet history teach us?”3:25 IP issues emerging in the age of AI5:10 inevitability of AI6:40 global regulation of AI8:25 Emily Gould - which body would handle global regulation of AI11:00 Council of Europe’s adoption of first AI international treaty 11:50 Gould - UK proposal to expand text and data mining exception to cover commercial uses 14:55 transparency issues 18:40 Gould - response - need for legislation20:20 authorship question 21:40 THJ Systems v. Sheridan (THJ Systems Ltd. v. Sheridan [2023] EWCA Civ 1354, [2024] E.C.D.R. 4, CA, 20 November 2023) is of great interest because it confirms the test for originality in copyright law in the UK after Brexit.22:55 Li v. Liu, Case Number: (2023) Jing 0491 Min Chu No. 11279, Beijing Internet Court, 27 November 202325:00 NFTs25:30 Thaler v. Perlmutter and USCO, USCA Case #23-5233 29:30 continued utility of copyright 32:40 AI copyright suits in the US36:30 cultural impact of AI models’ accelerated training capabilities 38:20 view of whether there is a future for careers in art42:50 tools like spawning.ai for artists’ protections 43:00 opt ins versus opt outs43:50 technological protections like Glaze and Nightshade 45:15 difficulty of implementing opt ins 47:45 injustices in the AI age and definition of justice50:33 mark that Andres hopes to make with his work53:40 Stefania Salles-Bruins - IP protection for AI software and outputsPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
8/4/24 • 60:42
Send us Fan MailTo learn more about Tetiana Cheprasova, please visit her page at Agency of Artists in Exile.Special thanks to Valentina Kostornichenko for acting as interpreter in this episode.Show Notes:0:00 Tetiana Cheprasova's view of the war in Ukraine & interpreter Valentina Kostornichenko1:30 Cheprasova's background and work in painting, photography, sculptures and graphic design 4:50 Giovanni Ercolani’s book The Maidan Museum Preserving the Spirit of Maidan. Art, Identity and the Revolution of Dignity that features Cheprasova’s paintings inspired by Caravaggio8:00 from Cheprasova's Depassement portfolio - paintings of hands, including wounded hands signifying stigmata 10:30 Mariupol woman who inspired Cheprasova20:40 ‘Stop Emotions’ series of 9 paintings25:00 Cityscapes of Mariupol29:30 sculpture that’s part of new work to depict destruction in Ukraine34:00 Parisian architecture35:00 consequences of war 38:00 power of art to address social injustices and the impact of war41:00 Cheprasova's view of justice 45:40 Cheprasova’s work as art therapist49:20 Cheprasova’s hope for viewers of her work53:00 Giovanni Ercolani’s questions to Cheprasova 56:00 if only one person is impacted by your work, it’s worth doing 56:50 Artists as witnesses of their timePlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
7/7/24 • 59:22
Send us Fan MailTo learn more, please visit Angie Elita Newell's site for All I See Is Violence.Show Notes:1:20 Newel’s background 4:00 impetus to address historic inaccuracies4:50 women warriors5:30 research process7:20 perspectives decided on for All I See Is Violence8:45 interconnectedness of all 10:15 timelines within All I See Is Violence11:50 reading from All I See Is Violence16:50 archival research18:45 surreal stories from elders20:40 feedback21:40 Custer22:40 power of art to address social issues23:00 Picasso’s Guernica25:00 reparations25:50 the Very Little Truth and No Reconciliation Committee 27:00 reservations / prison camps28:30 publishing process and manipulation of the truth by the big 5 publishers32:30 Indigenous Poet Joy Harjo33:30 American Indian movement in the 1970s35:50 concept of justice related to awareness38:40 next book tells story of Apache leader Geronimo and female warrior Lozen43:50 research on Lozen45:00 Mexican slave trade of indigenous people 45:45 questions from Anjali Rao47:00 to build dual timelines, Newell asks questions about what’s the point and building on that overarching pointPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
6/9/24 • 49:47
Send us Fan MailCover Photo by Nils Paellmann0:00 Restitution Study Group (RSG) Executive Director Deadria Farmer-Paellmann 1:30 overview of suit and issues raised 4:30 Prof. Tobias Skowronek’s findings on the metals contained in the manillas7:00 Dismissal of suit against Smithsonian based on mootness7:55 court order that Plaintiffs conceded points and waived arguments 8:45 ruling in OK reparations case for the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre10:30 Nigerian declaration by outgoing President Buhari 12:00 critical argument that transfer was ultra vires 13:00 Administrative Procedure Act - failure to hold public hearing on ‘ethical transfers’ creates First Amendment issue 15:00 opinion on Nigeria’s position 17:00 DNA research as to descendants from Esan People from Benin Kingdom19:00 Benin Kingdom’s enslavement of their females20:15 Manchester Museum’s 2023 repatriation to Australia’s Aboriginal Anindilyakwa community of Groote Eylandt21:00 change in narratives offered by Frankfurt’s Museum of World Cultures and Berlin’s Humboldt Museum 22:45 ancestral dedications at institutions holding Benin Bronzes23:30 Benin Kingdom Museum in Harlem, NY 25:15 underreporting on lawsuit 26:00 shock about value of Benin Bronzes - a classic Wakanda story at end of first Black Panther film28:20 potential for justice in US lower federal courts and in SCOTUS31:00 narrative attached to the Benin Bronzes33:30 Illinois State Rep. Carol Ammons - Joint chairwoman of Illinois Legislative Black Caucus meeting with Chicago's Field Museum34:30 NY Legislator involved in work of RSGPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
5/26/24 • 36:37
