Ministry leadership is about more than just growing your church or organization. It’s about participating in God’s mission in the world. But how can leaders know God’s mission or their unique place in it? Faithful ministry leadership is rooted in a life of deep and abiding faithfulness to Jesus. In “Spiritual Life and Leadership,” Markus Watson and his guests explore what it means to be faithful leaders whose ministry flows from their ever-deepening relationship with God.
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger discuss the importance of framing for church leaders, particularly in the context of political polarization. Drawing on a quote from Andrew Hanauer, they explore how providing a Biblical framework to congregants can shape their understanding of the world and mitigate the influence of external, often divisive, narratives. Through practical advice and insightful examples, they illustrate how asking the right questions can lead to transformative perspectives grounded in faith.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Andrew Hanauer in Ep 226, Tackling Toxic Polarization in Your Church:"If you don't help your congregants have a framework for understanding the world around them, they will get that framework from somewhere else."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Ministry leaders can frame questions to help congregants see the world through the eyes of Jesus.Leaders should encourage their congregants to develop a biblical framework for understanding the world.Leaders should prompt curiosity through questions instead of giving lectures.Leaders can use personal stories to help congregants empathize and rethink their preconceived notions.Congregants will find alternative, potentially harmful frameworks if leaders do not provide a biblical one.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
10/8/24 • 07:37
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!How can our churches reach out to families with autistic members in such a way that the Gospel is good news for them? And how might we need to adapt the way we do church in order to be good news for those with autism in their families?Dr. David Quel, adjunct professor at Wesley Theological Seminary--and father to three autistic sons--reveals strategies for creating a welcoming environment in our churches for families with autistic members, how to adapt our ministries to meet their needs, and the emotional and spiritual journey of parenting autistic children.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:David Quel shares how he and his wife discovered that not just one, but all three of his sons were autistic.It was difficult for David Quel and his wife to find the kind of family and church support they needed as a family with three non-high-functioning autistic children.David Quel underscores the essential need for emotional, spiritual, mental, and compassionate awareness of autism in church ministry.David Quel shares a story about his church setting up a sensory room designed specifically for children with autism.This sensory room included items like big fluffy pillows, beanbags, and sensory toys to ensure children's safety.David Quel discusses challenges and solutions in creating worship services tailored for children with autism.Traditional formats like responsive readings and long sermons are challenging for children with autism.David Quel highlights the need for music that is more upbeat to engage children with autism compared to traditional hymns.Efforts by David’s church to create separate worship services showed significant commitment but also revealed the struggle to let go of traditional practices.David Quel recommends the book Autism and Your Church by Barbara J. Newman for further guidance.Interviewing families to understand their specific needs and triggers is crucial to contextual ministry.Identifying willing volunteers with relevant experience or a willingness to learn can make a significant difference when adapting your church ministry to families with autism.David Quel emphasizes seeing individuals with autism as God’s creations, deserving of love and support.Steps churches can take to support families with autism:Set up sensory roomsTailor specialized worship servicesInterview and understand families with autismIdentify and train volunteersPromote inclusivityRELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:BeADisciple.comAutism and the Church Part 1Autism and the Church Part 2Wesley Theological SeminaryBooks mentioned:Autism and Your Church, by Barbara J. NewmanRelated Episodes:Tackling Adaptive Challenges in Your Church, with Angie WardExploring New Forms of Church, with Shannon KiserDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
10/1/24 • 37:56
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger explore the concept of power within the framework of discipleship and adaptive leadership, inspired by a quote from Michael Rhodes. They discuss how power, when used responsibly, can prevent harm and support the vulnerable, such as orphans, immigrants, and widows. The conversation delves into the transformative potential of Jesus' use of power, emphasizing that true leadership requires the release and sharing of power to foster justice and love. They conclude with reflections on the societal challenges of redefining power in ways that uplift and protect the most vulnerable in the community.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Michael Rhodes in Ep 200, The Justice Feast:“How does our discipleship help us become people who faithfully exercise power in community, particularly on behalf of the orphan, the immigrant, and the widow?”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tod Bolsinger explores the concept of power and its importance in preventing evil and harm.Discipleship involves using power to protect the most vulnerable, such as orphans, immigrants, and widows.Adaptive leadership emphasizes transformation and inclusivity, drawing from many voices within a community.Jesus demonstrates ultimate power by sacrificing himself for others, illustrating love and justice in the kingdom of God.Effective leadership requires adapting and redefining traditional views of power and authority.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
9/24/24 • 07:01
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Here in the U.S. the impact of the election and the campaigns of Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are inescapable.In this episode, Tim Alberta, author of The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism, discusses the unsettling trend of political polarization in the church, the role of pastors in responding to the pressure to reclaim a "Christian America," and the importance of having diverse relationships as we navigate this season of polarization.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tim Alberta shares his story of being criticized for his political views while at his father's funeral.Tim Alberta expresses concern over the perceived decline of "Christian America."Alberta warns about the losses incurred when churches self-select into narrow ideological spaces.Diverse relationships are necessary for spiritual growth and addressing complex issues.Markus Watson mentions Allen Hilton and Andrew Hanauer’s organizations working to address political polarization. These organizations bring different churches together to facilitate conversations and humanize each other.Alberta discusses how American Christians often view the U.S. as a nation set apart or a new Israel in covenant with God. This belief leads to a conflation of defending America with defending God.Some Christians view political opponents as cultural and spiritual adversaries, treating political warfare as spiritual warfare.There seems to be a fear among evangelicals of losing status, indoctrination of children, and being targeted by the government.Alberta discusses the shift from a culture sympathetic to Christian ideals to one perceived as hostile, creating a siege mentality.There seems to be a sense of entitlement within the evangelical community, akin to the belief of the ancient people of Israel..Tim Alberta highlights the difficulty for Christians to relate to scriptural suffering due to comfort and wealth in America.Some Christians compromise their virtues to reclaim a "Christian America," engaging in unethical behavior for a perceived greater good.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Tim Alberta:www.bytimalberta.comThe AtlanticTwitter/X - @TimAlbertaBooks mentioned:The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, by Tim AlbertaAmerican Carnage, by Tim AlbertaRelated episodes:Tackling Toxic Polarization in Your Church, with Allen Hilton and Andrew HanauerLeading Your Church Through Political Division, with Allen HiltonGrace-Filled Politics, with Aaron SchaferDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
9/17/24 • 41:11
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger explore how to discern and join in what God is doing in the world. They discuss the importance of humility, recognizing God's ongoing work beyond the church, and adopting practical spiritual disciplines. Tod shares personal practices, like evening prayers of gratitude and a mindset that sees God's activity through the night, to better align with God’s work. They emphasize listening to both God and others to understand the broader context of God's presence and action.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Tim Soerens in Ep 204, How to Cultivate Presence in Your Community:“What is God up to? And how do I join in it? And what are the practices and postures and prompts that we need to keep asking ourselves in order to join in what God's doing?”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tod advises starting the day with the mindset that God has already been at work throughout the night.Tim Soerens' quote emphasizes the need to discern what God is doing rather than trying to get God to join in our own plans.Markus encourages listening to the people in our communities to understand their hopes and fears.Tod highlights the importance of praying for God's kingdom to come on earth as it already exists in heaven.Markus reframes the perspective of a megachurch to see itself as a small part of the larger body of Christ.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
9/10/24 • 08:04
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!How does Jesus go about transforming individual lives and entire societies? And what role do we play in that work of transformation?Yolanda Solomon, author of Discipleship as Holy Collaboration, helps us get clarity on these questions as she shares her insights on how to build a nurturing community in the Church, the challenges of modern discipleship, and the importance of addressing marginalized groups through a radically inclusive kingdom perspective.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Yolanda Solomon discusses the importance of collaboration and companionship in the Christian faith.Hebrews 10 underlines the importance of being known and spurring one another on to good works in discipleship.Markus Watson and Yolanda Solomon discuss the challenges of leadership today and how Jesus' teachings can guide leaders to serve and esteem those most margnalized.Discipleship is about followers of Jesus following in his footsteps, learning from him, and being invited into a new community of divine love to live and love like Jesus and continue his mission on earth.Discipleship is a holy collaboration with Jesus and involves empowering individuals through the Holy Spirit to imitate Jesus.Yolanda Solomon believes there is a discipleship problem in the church due to church hurt, the hierarchical church structure, and the misconception that discipleship is about behavior modification.She admits her past attempts at discipleship focused on modifying people's behavior, but she has since shifted to a discipleship strategy grounded in Jesus' educational approach.Yolanda Solomon highlights different ways of teaching and learning, mentioning how Jesus involves his disciples in the miracles he performs.Disciple-focused education should include practical involvement, such as Jesus' example of telling the disciples to feed the five thousand.Markus Watson and Yolanda Solomon emphasize the role of the Holy Spirit in heart transformation.Both Yolanda and Markus express the importance of addressing systemic oppression and social injustice.Yolanda Solomon shares a story about Jesus' forgiveness and its impact on systemic oppression, emphasizing that societal injustice affects both the oppressed and the oppressor.Yolanda Solomon highlights Jesus' rejection of worldly power and his call for sacrificial, inclusive love, underscoring the need for both heart and structural change in society.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Yolanda Solomon:www.yolandasolomon.siteInstagram - @yolanda.solomon.bkBooks mentioned:Discipleship as Holy Collaboration, by Yolanda SolomonKingdom, Church, and World, by Hoqard A. SnyderRelated episodes:Building a Multi-inclusive Church, with Efrem Smith and Dan KreissUnlearning Old Paradigms for Kingdom Leadership, with Terry WallingFrom Sunday Services to Real Transformation, with E.K. StrawserThe Muppets, “She Drives Me Crazy”Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
9/3/24 • 41:50
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger unpack a poignant quote from Adam McHugh, discussing the often-overlooked grief experienced during life transitions such as career changes and identity shifts. They reflect on Adam's personal journey from pastoral ministry to becoming a wine sommelier, emphasizing how letting go of deeply ingrained identities can be a difficult yet necessary process for embracing new seasons of life. The conversation underscores the importance of grief in these transitions and challenges the notion that Christians should always be joyful, highlighting that genuine grief prepares the way for new beginnings and deeper hope.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Adam McHugh in Ep 208, Letting Go in Leadership to Move Forward in Life:“You know, we talk about grief when you lose a loved one or when you lose something very specific. But there's a real grieving process, I think, that comes along with life transition, with career loss, with job loss, with identity loss."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Adam McHugh emphasizes the importance of grieving life transitions to move forward.Tod Bolsinger highlights that Christians often struggle with grief, favoring joy insteadTod says letting go of identity is difficult but necessary for embracing new life chapters.Markus Watson points out that Christians tend to skip over the grieving of Holy Saturday.Tod asserts that genuine grief prepares us for the new promises God holds for us.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
8/27/24 • 07:05
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger, Executive director of the Church Leadership Institute, discusses how to maintain a commitment to your mission even in the face of resistance. He also unpacks the importance of trust in leadership, as well as how to craft and use a powerful mission statement guide you in your church’s or organization’s decision-making.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tod Bolsinger introduces the "Disagree and commit" concept, highlighting its importance in leadership.Leaders need to earn trust for effective mission adherence.Trust alone isn't transformation, but foundational for it.Tod Bolsinger emphasizes the necessity of investing in transformation over merely relying on trust.Trust and transformation are connected; transformation involves investing trust.Tod Bolsinger discusses his series of four books on ministry leadership, addressing common leadership mistakes.The first book, "How Not to Waste a Crisis," tackles the mistake of outworking the changing world.Markus Watson shares his church's challenge in pleasing crucial stakeholders during change.Tod Bolsinger stresses that organizations should thrive in crises, not just survive.Tod Bolsinger explains the "disagree and commit" approach as essential for leadership teams.Mission statements should be rooted in the church's context and community.Clear, 8-word mission statements with verb, target, and impact are vital for decision-making.Tod Bolsinger explains the significance of verbs, targets, and impacts in mission statements.Good leaders rally stakeholders together for a bigger cause, but can fall into the trap of making decisions to keep everyone happy.Mission statements should be tools for making decisions, not just taglines.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Tod Bolsinger:Church Leadership InstituteFuller Theological SeminaryBooks mentioned:How Not to Waste a Crisis: Quit Trying Harder, by Tod BolsingerInvest in Transformation: Quit Relying on Trust, by Tod BolsingerLeading Through Resistance: Quit Pushing Back, by Tod BolsingerThe Mission Always Wins: Quit Appeasing Stakeholders, by Tod BolsingerRelated episodes:Canoeing the Mountains, with Tod BolsingerDisorientation and Spiritual Leadership, with Tod BolsingerThe Spiritual Life of a Leader, with Tod BolsingerForming Leadership Resilience, with Tod BolsingerDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
8/20/24 • 36:02
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss a quote from episode 216 with guests Brad Strawn and Warren Brown. The quote highlights the perception that contemporary Christianity in the United States is more known for what it opposes than for what it supports. Tod Bolsinger explores this phenomenon, attributing it to the psychological tendency to focus on fears rather than potential gains. The discussion delves into how this fear-based mindset influences church leadership and community actions, emphasizing the need for churches to rally around positive and constructive goals rather than being driven by anxiety and opposition.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Brad Strawn in Ep 216, Overcoming ‘Puny’ Spirituality:"I think one of the sad things about the state of contemporary Christianity in the United States is that we're known for, not what we do, but what we're against."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Brad Strawn's quote highlights how contemporary Christianity focuses more on what it opposes than what it supports.Tod Bolsinger explains that fear motivates people to reject potential gains, influencing church behavior.The conversation reveals that pastors often worry about negative outcomes, leading congregations to prioritize protection over potential.Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger discuss how anxiety drives leadership to control rather than inspire.Tod Bolsinger calls for Christians to unite around positive community impacts rather than opposition to unfavorable elements.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
8/13/24 • 07:49
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Grace Ji-Sun Kim, theology professor at Earlham School of Religion and the author of When God Became White, discusses how cultural forces throughout history have shaped the portrayal of both God and Jesus as white males, and how that portrayal has hurt our ability to be the leaders we need to be.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Grace Ji-Sun Kim discusses the historical influence of the Roman Empire in shaping the perception of a white male God in Christianity.Cultural and societal forces led to the dominant image of a white male deity.Grace Ji-Sun Kim suggests reimagining God within different cultural contexts to challenge this prevailing narrative.Artists portraying Jesus in various ethnicities counteract the dominant white male imagery.Portraying God in diverse ways can be valuable and necessary.Markus Watson shares an example of a teacher's experiment to illustrate that race is a social construct, not a biological one.The conversation touches on the harmful implications of using race as a biological concept to assert superiority.According to Grace Ji-Sun Kim the feminine naming of Hagia Sophia as holy wisdom holds significant importance in church history.Diverse voices are crucial for leading change within churches.Grace Ji-Sun Kim suggests that white people should diversify their reading, podcast listening, and sermon choices for a deeper understanding.Markus Watson recounts his childhood exposure to a white Jesus, reflecting on its impact.Grace Ji-Sun Kim emphasizes the need to challenge and critique the prevailing image of a white male God.Practical steps for churches include critically analyzing liturgy, deeply engaging with scripture, and welcoming diverse perspectives for a fuller understanding of God.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Grace Ji-Sun Kim:Earlham School of ReligionMadang PodcastLoving Life SubstackBooks mentioned:When God Became White, by Grace Ji-Sun KimRelated episodes:Building a Multi-Inclusive Church, with Efrem Smith and Dan KreissCultivating Cultural Competence, with Daniel LeeCalled to Each Other, with Claude AlexanderMinistry Leadership in a Racialized Society, with David SwansonDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
8/6/24 • 21:52
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss a quote from Mike Bonem, which underscores the importance of empowering team members to fulfill their roles. They explore the necessity of recruiting the right people and then giving them the freedom to execute their tasks effectively. Tod emphasizes the value of clarity in mission and supportive leadership, allowing team members to excel in their areas of expertise without micromanagement. He also introduces the concept of "the commander's intent" to highlight the balance between freedom and direction in team management.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Mike Bonem in Ep 218, Trust, Teams, and Transformational Leadership:“If you’re gonna recruit the right people to be on the team, then you need to release them to do the work that God has called them to do.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Mike Bonem's quote emphasizes the importance of recruiting the right people and then empowering them to fulfill their roles. Tod Bolsinger advises that effective leaders clearly communicate their mission to their team members.A good leader recruits talented individuals and grants them autonomy.Leaders should provide clarity and support to their team members.Leaders should hire people who are experts in their roles and trust them to perform their tasks independently.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
7/30/24 • 06:42
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Allen Hilton, Executive Director of A House United, and Andrew Hanauer, CEO of One America Movement, bring a wealth of experience and practical insight into how our churches can navigate political and cultural division, especially during this very divisive election season. We explore their strategies for "courageous conversations" and the importance of understanding and empathy in overcoming polarization—crucial topics for any ministry leader aiming to foster a congregation of love and unity.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:It’s important for churches to address moments of violence, such as the recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump. People need spiritual leadership in these times.Andrew Hanauer highlights the necessity of individuals taking personal responsibility for their role in division before blaming others.Allen Hilton points out that mingling across divides and having extended contact with others can reduce tendencies to blame.Markus Watson shares his trepidation about discussing divisive incidents within the church, recognizing the need despite potential conflicts.Allen Hilton insists that churches should engage in political conversations as politics profoundly impacts everyone’s lives.The church’s role, according to Andrew Hanauer, is to provide a framework for understanding the world, not avoiding political engagement.Andrew Hanauer asserts that facilitating tough conversations within congregations demonstrates a community's strength and unity.Andrew Hanauer promotes the value of diverse opinions in faith communities to build resilience in times of societal crises.Allen Hilton believes churches have a duty to form individuals “off the spot” who can navigate and mitigate polarization.Andrew Hanauer encourages the practice of praying for people we might consider enemies, which can transform our viewpoint towards them.Faith communities have the opportunity to model unity and provide spiritual meaning during times of loneliness and disconnection.The conversation concludes with Watson, Hilton, and Hanauer emphasizing the importance of self-reflection, responsible voting, and loving both neighbors and enemies to combat political polarization in our society.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Allen Hilton:House United MovementAndrew Hanauer:One America MovementRelated episodes:Leading Your Church Through Political Division, with Allen HiltonIs American Unity Possible?Prayer for a President in PainGrace-Filled Politics, with Aaron SchaferDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
7/23/24 • 50:16
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss the importance of transitions in both individual and organizational life, as highlighted by a quote from Terry Walling. They explore the concept of the "in between," likening it to the liminal space where significant transformation occurs. Bolsinger emphasizes that these periods of uncertainty are essential for faith and growth, encouraging leaders to embrace learning and personal journey as they guide their communities through times of change. The episode explores the challenges of these transitions and provides insights on how leaders can navigate them effectively.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Terry Walling in Ep 212, Unlearning Old Paradigms for Kingdom Leadership:“Transitions are the most important moments in an individual’s life and in an organization’s life because God does some of his greatest work in the in-between.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders must embrace the journey of learning to move forward effectively.Churches need to let go of immediate stability to experience transformational growth.Leaders should engage in their own continuous spiritual journey to inspire others.Congregations often resist the discomfort of transitional periods but must persevere.Effective interim leadership requires guiding churches through the unknown with faith.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
7/16/24 • 07:16
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Amy Peeler, author of Hebrews: Commentaries for Christian Formation, shares her insights on leadership through the lens of the book of Hebrews, drawing parallels between Jesus’ steadfast priesthood and the role of modern pastors and leaders. Her reflections on enduring hope, resilience, and the practicalities of leading a post-COVID church are valuable for all who are in ministry leadership.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Amy Peeler explains the concept of loss and how it impacts the community when leaders pass away.Churches feel the impact of the loss of beloved mentors and leaders of faith.Amy Peeler emphasizes the comfort that Jesus Christ offers as an unwavering and stable leader.Amy Peeler emphasizes the need to navigate through confusion, exhaustion, and resistance in the wilderness, offering advice for leaders leading through change.The famous faith chapter, Hebrews 11, emphasizes enduring hope in God and faith as the foundation of good leadership.Amy Peeler highlights the imagery of holding on to Jesus as a boat is tethered to its anchor from Hebrews 6, emphasizing resting in Jesus' strength when things are difficult in our leadership.Humility and service are so important in leadership, even when being a pastor feels costly.Amy Peeler explores the importance of helping congregations navigate loss and resistance.Amy Peeler examines the practical instructions for leaders and the principles for leadership found throughout the letter of Hebrews.Hebrews' message includes the call for leaders to keep trusting in God, especially during persecution.Pastors and priests, according to Amy Peeler, are mediators, similar to Jesus' role as High Priest.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Amy Peeler:www.amypeeler.comWheaton CollegeBooks mentioned:Hebrews: Commentaries for Christian Formation, by Amy PeelerWomen and the Gender of God, by Amy PeelerRelated episodes:Power, Vulnerability, Rest, with Tod BolsingerLeading Like Jesus, with Ken BlanchardDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
7/9/24 • 39:11
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger engage in a discerning conversation about the leadership and mission implications of the idea that God is already pesent in every culture. They consider the respect and humility required when entering new cultures and relationships, especially with the understanding that God's presence and work precede us. Through personal stories and theological insights, they explore the posture of listening and joining in what God is already doing, rather than imposing our preconceptions.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Justin Bailey in Episode 173, The Art of Interpreting Culture:“You never go to another culture where God is not already present and at work.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:God actively engages in all cultures even before we arrive, as highlighted by Justin Bailey's insight that one never enters a culture where God isn't already present and working.Leaders enhance their missions by respectfully listening first, acknowledging God's presence in every context, as emphasized by Tod Bolsinger's agreement with Justin Bailey.Christian engagement with others thrives when it begins with humility and recognition of God's preexisting activity, instead of approaching with a colonial mindset of bringing God to an empty space.Spiritual encounters flourish when the approach is invitational and inclusive, as demonstrated by Markus Watson's open communion table welcoming all individuals to participate.Adaptive leadership calls for joining in what God is already doing within a community, rather than imposing a preconceived agenda, thus resonating with an organic and responsive mode of spiritual leadership.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
7/2/24 • 07:30
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Efrem Smith and Dan Kreiss, the authors of Church For Everyone: Building a Multi-Inclusive Community, explore the importance of multi-inclusivity in church leadership, the need to empower young people in decision-making, and the steps required to break down socio-economic and cultural barriers within our faith communities.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Creating spaces and processes for the emerging generation to have voice and participate in decision-making within multi-inclusive churches is crucial.In the Evangelical Covenant Church, the 6-fold test for multi-ethnic ministry includes population, participation, and power as key aspects to consider.Efforts to create spaces for feedback and participation are a key step in promoting inclusion and diversity in churches.Efrem Smith emphasizes the need to intentionally hire diverse staff and involve the emerging generation in shaping the church's narrative.Dan Kreiss points out that long-standing churches with deep traditions face greater challenges and need intentional discomfort and leadership formation to create a multi-inclusive community.According to Efrem Smith and Dan Kreiss, the diverse and multi-ethnic nature of the younger generation is not reflected in many church contexts on Sunday mornings.Dan Kreiss points out that building relationships with those outside his predominantly Caucasian church is essential to foster inclusion and understanding.Efrem Smith underscores the need to eliminate excuses for young people to dismiss the church and to create a multi-inclusive community that reflects the diversity found in other aspects of their lives.God can use individuals of different generations to advance his kingdom, as demonstrated by the biblical stories of David, Esther, Abraham, and Josiah.The letters of Paul emphasize the importance of a multi-inclusive, Christ-centered community, reflecting the multicultural and intergenerational nature of the church.According to Dan Kreiss, starting the journey towards a multi-inclusive church involves intentional efforts to build relationships with diverse communities.Dan Kreiss encourages pastors to surround themselves with others in the community for support and accountability.Efrem Smith says the move from stigmatizing the younger generation to becoming friends and missionaries to them is essential.Navigating the tensions between different generations is part of maintaining an intergenerational and diverse church environment.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Efrem Smith:Mid-town ChurchInfluential Global MinistriesInstagram - @efrem.smithDan Kreiss:Roswell Presbyterian ChurchInstagram - @dan_kreissBooks mentioned:Church for Everyone, by Efrem Smith and Dan KreissRelated episodes:Called to Each Other, with Claude AlexanderMinistry Leadership in a Racialized Society, with David SwansonIdentity, Belonging, and Purpose, with Kara PowellDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
6/25/24 • 39:40
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to this conversation, challenging us to resist nostalgia and the allure of a past era—like the 1960s, when the church thrived in a very different context. Reflecting on a quote from Miroslav Volf, Bolsinger, together with Markus Watson, contemplates the dangers of yearning for what no longer exists and the pressing need to adapt to a future we can't fully see yet.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from MIroslav Volf in Episode 169, TThe Materiality of God’s Mission:“We can’t orient ourselves around the old world; it would be dumb for us to do that. And we don’t know how to orient ourselves with a world that hasn’t yet been born.” THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Many of our churches represent an "old world" paradigm, one led by experienced elders rather reminiscent of past church glories.Clinging to past success impedes churches from effectively engaging with and inhabiting the emerging world.Tod Bolsinger underscores the futility of solving new challenges with outdated solutions, advocating for a learning-oriented approach to leadership.Markus Watson acknowledges that navigating without a clear map of the future requires faith and adaptability.Bolsinger insists that the mission isn't to preserve the church but to pass the faith forward, adapting to the world's evolving needs.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
6/18/24 • 08:24
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In ministry leadership, how we respond to crises significantly impacts not just our journey, but also the communities we serve. Painful experiences like this can be crucibles that mold our character, highlight the importance of emotional presence, and underscore the need for institutional stamina—how do we get through this together?Gayle Beebe is the president of Westmont College and author of The Crucibles That Shape Us. In this conversation, and he shares some of the ways he has had to lead through tragedy and crisis. He unpacks concepts like competing commitments which are exposed in times of crisis. He talks about the importance of having processing partners in our leadership. And he shares some of the profound lessons he learned from both the personal and institutional tragedies that he has had to lead through. This episode's highlights include:The seven crucibles from Gayle Beebe’s book are:The Crucible of Missed MeaningThe Crucible of Enduring ChallengeThe Crucible of Human TreacheryThe Crucible of Awakened Moral ConscienceThe Crucible of Social ConflictThe Crucible of Human SufferingThe Crucible of Personal ChoiceGayle Beebe discusses how individuals experience competing commitments in both personal and social contexts and the significant consequences individuals face when failing to balance competing commitments effectively.Personal losses and tragedies can shape leaders, developing their empathy and perspectives.Gayle Beebe reflects on how challenging experiences have deepened his understanding of God and reshaped his meaning in life.Leaders feel great pressure to maintain composure; thus the need for having a processing partner.Gayle Beebe reflects on Westmont College's response to the events of 2020, including the murder of George Floyd.Westmont College leaned into its existing commitments to justice, reconciliation, and diversity, focusing on building partnerships with those already engaged in work related to justice and diversity.Westmont College sought out and hired diverse faculty and staff to promote inclusivity, engaging in comprehensive training for the board, executive team, faculty, staff, and students.The discussion highlights key strategies like treating everyone with integrity, care, and respect.Westmont College identified bridge builders from minority populations to enhance community relationships.Gayle Beebe talks about handling emotionally devastating events, such as natural disasters, with spiritual strength and he discusses the learnings and resilience he developed from facing institutional crises, including the wildfires that impacted Westmont's campus.Relevant Resources and Links:Gayle BeebeEmail - president@westmont.eduWestmont CollegeBooks mentioned:The Crucibles that Shape Us, by Gayle BeebePensées, by Blaise PascalThinking Fast and Slow, by Daniel KahnemanRelated episodes:Embracing Limitations as a Ministry Resource, with Tod BolsingerADid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
6/11/24 • 43:43
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!This episode explores the critical role of joy in fostering deep connections within our communities. As Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson consider how an atmosphere of joy can be crafted and communicated through our actions, they discuss how this translates to effective ministry and church leadership.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Jim Wilder in Episode 179, The Neuroscience of Spiritual Formation:"In order to get people to attach to each other you have to create an environment of joy where people are glad to be together."THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders must foster an environment of joy to help community members form strong bonds with each other.Authentic joy in relationships emerges when individuals feel truly valued and important to one another.Communicating warm, genuine excitement through physical presence bolsters connections within a community.Instilling a sense of joyful belonging serves as the foundation for transformative life experiences.Embracing challenges becomes enriching when undertaken alongside a community that cares deeply for one another.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
6/4/24 • 07:52
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Strong sermons, pastoral care and counseling, leading Bible studies. These are all really important for effective ministry leadership. But leading a church or organization is more than just that, isn’t it?In this episode, Mike Bonem--consultant, coach, and author of The Art of Leading Change--offers invaluable insights into how trust, effective team-building, and adept communication can transform your leadership and help you navigate the complexities of ministry.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Mike Bonem highlights the importance of trust in leadership, emphasizing that people are unlikely to give 110% if they don't trust their leader.Markus Watson notes that trust has different dimensions and can erode gradually through unfulfilled commitments and unmet expectations.Trust is built through follow-through on commitments and investing in relational components.When there is trust within a congregation, people are more likely to give the benefit of the doubt, get involved in initiatives, and commit to change.Trust is about being trustworthy as a person, not just doing things to gain trust.Manipulation by leaders is easily detected, underscoring the necessity of integrity.Mike Bonem discusses the importance of building strong teams to handle heavy loads and accomplish needed tasks.Building a strong team involves intentionally enlisting different perspectives and gifts.It is important to include people who bring different perspectives in the planning stages.Mike Bonem elaborates on the value of getting different perspectives and gifts in the room for effective team building.Markus Watson reflects on his own experience of leading change in a church amid the pandemic, highlighting how difficult it was.Mike Bonem emphasizes the importance of incorporating business practices into pastoral work to improve leadership in congregations.Mike Bonem and Markus Watson discuss key principles for leading change, including leading with trust, recognizing the importance of strong teams, and understanding that resistors are not the enemy.Mike Bonem’s Fuller Equip online course "The Business of Ministry" provides fundamental training for pastors in areas such as finance, HR, and church business.The first module of Mike Bonem’s course addresses the debate on whether the church should adopt business practices to ensure good stewardship of resources.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Mike Bonem:Website – mikebonem.comBusiness of Ministry online courseBooks mentioned:The Art of Leading Change, by Mike BonemLeading from the Second Chair, by Mike BonemStrengthening the Soul of Your Leadership, by Ruth Haley BartonSacred Rhythms, by Ruth Haley BartonGood to Great, by Jim CollinsRelated episodes:How Did God Intend Us to Experience SaDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
5/24/24 • 43:54
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Markus Watson and Tod Bolsinger reflect on their passion for exploration as an essential element of leadership, discussing the current crisis where the church often resists change and clings to the past rather than venturing into the unknown. Together, they explore the challenges in embracing exploration within the church, examine the role faith plays in embarking on new journeys, and contemplate how our structures often dissuade us from the very essence of adventure that following Jesus entails.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Dwight Gibson in Episode 25, Organizational Change and the Way of Exploration:“As people of faith I would like to believe we have a greater capacity for exploration because we do recognize there is something beyond ourselves.” THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Faith calls believers to embrace exploration and take on the risks that come with following Jesus.Current church culture often resists change and exploration, preferring to maintain the status quo.The Church Leadership Institute aims to equip individuals with the skills needed to navigate uncharted territories.Believers must learn to let go of the past, embodying humility and accepting potential losses, to move forward.God's presence provides reassurance and support for the faithful as they embark upon new, explorative journeys.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
5/21/24 • 06:43
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Warren Brown and Brad Strawn, authors of Enhancing Christian Life, explain how contemporary Christian practices can often lead to what they call a 'puny' experience of Christianity that elevates personal feelings of closeness to God over outward expressions of faith. They argue for a robust, 'supersized' form of Christian life, where followers of Jesus are deeply connected with their church community, contributing to and drawing from a shared life that reflects the teachings of Jesus in tangible and embodied ways.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Warren Brown and Brad Strawn discuss the premise of their book addressing the problem of individualism in Christian life.They elaborate on how this individualism leads to a disembodied Christian life, where the body is given lower status compared to the soul.The concept of "supersizing" Christian life is introduced, suggesting that a communal approach to faith and acknowledging the physical nature of human existence can enhance one’s spiritual experience.Warren Brown stresses that humans are not separate entities of bodies and souls, but fundamentally bodies, which challenges traditional dualistic views.Brad Strawn emphasizes the importance of community and visible actions as markers of a genuine Christian life.The problem of Christian life being treated as a private, individualistic experience is critiqued, promoting a more communal and outward-focused practice.Both guests discuss the transformative power of living out Christian faith in communal and practical ways, such as through church congregations actively engaging in charitable acts.The conversation shifts towards the errors of mind-body dualism, reinforcing the idea that spiritual experiences should not be isolated from physical and communal contexts.Brad Strawn argues that even solitary spiritual practices like meditation are enriched and informed by communal and historical church practices.The dialogue covers how internal spiritual states (often considered private) should ideally reflect and be influenced by one's external actions and community engagements.The discussion concludes by considering the broader implications of their ideas on church practices, emphasizing an active, outward-looking approach to faith that integrates personal reflection with communal action.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Books mentioned:Enhancing Christian Life, by Warren Brown and Brad StrawnThe Physical Nature of Christian Life, by Warren BrownDid My Neurons Make Me Do It? by Warren Brown and Nancy MurphyThe Extended Mind, by Annie Murphy-PaulFuller Studio - Brad Strawn lecturesRelated episodes:A Crisis of Adult Discipleship, with Brian WallaceSpiritual Leadership in the Digital Space, with Laura MurrayeDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
5/14/24 • 37:52
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!This episode unpacks the concept of differentiation—how it allows us to recognize when someone else's anxiety affects us and vice versa, and the significance of maintaining our personal identity while staying connected in relationships. With vivid examples and relatable scenarios, we'll explore strategies to navigate crises and anxiety within our congregations and leadership teams without succumbing to the contagious nature of anxiety.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Steve Cuss in Episode 47, Leadership, Anxiety, and Family Systems:“[Differentiation] is your ability to notice when you’re getting infected by someone else’s anxiety, and how to stop your anxiety from infecting someone else.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Contagious anxiety impairs rational thinking and flexibility within communities.A strong identity enables individuals to engage with others without being overwhelmed by external crises.Differentiation involves maintaining a clear sense of self while staying connected in relationships without enmeshment or detachment. Self-aware leaders discern when to shoulder others' problems and when to maintain boundaries for personal well-being.Recognizing and managing one’s anxiety prevents it from spilling over and impacting the wider community.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
5/7/24 • 08:16
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Healthy leadership is about paying attention to what God is up to in the people we’re leading. Our job, then, is not to force people to be something they’re not so they can support our own initiatives. Our job is to take note of how our people are wired and then help them live that out for the sake of God’s mission.This is true, by the way, not only for the people we lead; it's true for the leader, too. In this episode, Tommy Nixon, the CEO of Urban Youth Workers Initiative, does an amazing job unpacking that reality.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Tommy Nixon is CEO of Urban Youth Workers Institute.Tommy Nixon reflects on the importance of embracing individual gifts and the problems of emulating other prominent leaders.Tommy Nixon and Markus Watson reflect on their shared experience of walking the Camino de Santiago.The pressures leaders receive from external stakeholders, such as donors and board members, can be profound. That’s why it is important to develop a deliberate growth strategy.Investing in others is critical, as is the role of conflict and tension in contributing to growth within a team.Tommy Nixon narrates his challenges with wearing multiple hats in leadership roles and calls into question whether individuals are truly multifaceted or should concentrate on their strengths.He advises leaders to have candid conversations with their teams about their abilities and to possibly reconceptualize leadership and teaching methods.Markus Watson shares his insights on the difficulties of transitioning from conventional leadership expectations to a model that involves spiritual formation and surrender.Tommy Nixon speaks on the need for leaders to engage in self-exploration and the advantages it brings, mentioning the use of introspection to seek divine direction and share vulnerabilities to promote a mutual understanding.Nixon shares his own journey of inner healing and self-acceptance through God's love that he has been on since high school.Tommy Nixon has come to embrace a significant truth over two decades, which has revolutionized his approach to leadership and handling disappointments.Markus Watson opens up about being triggered by a comment from a parishioner and the value of introspection and apologizing for his response.The conversation shifts to the idea of leading by allowing people to be themselves and trusting God to work in their midst.Nixon underscores the concept that understanding and joining God's plan is crucial, even when faced with leading a smaller church in the post-pandemic era.Tommy Nixon concludes by advocating for a paradigm shift in Christian leadership, encouraging a more people-centered approach and institutional change within the church and related nonprofits.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Tommy NixonUrban Youth Workers InstituteThe Radical Middle Podcast The Future is Here PodcastRelated episodes:The Beatitudes and Spiritual Leadership, with Mark ScandretteYou Can’t Be Found if You’re Never Lost, with Steve CarterDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
4/30/24 • 37:50
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson explore the powerful reminder that as pastors and leaders, we are not God and that recognizing our human limitations can prevent dysfunction within our ministries. This conversation will shed light on the protective nature of limitations for both leaders and those entrusted to their care.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Mandy Smith in Episode 36, The Vulnerable Pastor:“Limitation is a ministry resource.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Limitation serves as a vital ministry resource, protecting both pastors and their communities.Acknowledging our human constraints fosters a necessary dependence on God’s provision.An awareness of personal boundaries prevents dysfunction and burnout among spiritual leaders.Embracing vulnerability in leadership equips us to minister from a place of authenticity.The recognition of our limitations enhances our pastoral care and grounds us in our humanity.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
4/23/24 • 06:06
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Terry Walling is Founder and President of Leader Breakthru and the author of Unlikely Nomads. In this episode, Terry Walling shares about people he calls “nomads.” They love Jesus, but they don’t love the more traditional expressions of the church. They want to be part of the church, but the way most of our churches are structured isn’t life-giving for them.Terry and I reflect together on what a “nomad” is, what “nomads” are longing for, and how churches like yours and mine can love and bless “nomads” as they seek to live out their love for Jesus.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Terry Walling expresses his passion for mentoring leaders who are willing to take risks within the kingdom.He reflects on his own transformation from pastor to leadership development expert during a significant transition period.Walling shares humorous anecdotes from his pastoring days, particularly while presiding over the church his parents attended.Terry Walling discusses the shift from traditional programmatic church models to environments that foster safe and meaningful community connections.Terry Walling believes that church expressions are changing, with "Unlikely Nomads" capturing this evolutionary process.Walling advises the church to unlearn old paradigms and embrace new ones to stay relevant and effective.He emphasizes the importance of creating safe spaces for community interaction over adherence to traditional programmatic structures.The concept of a "bridging church" is presented as a means to help individuals reintegrate into their local communities.Terry Walling speaks about "unlikely nomads" within the church who seek a more profound journey with God and authenticity in their faith.He discusses the challenge of transforming church structures and the need to focus on personal renewal before organizational change.Terry Walling proposes that a shift towards personal discipleship can lead the way for structural transformations within the church.Markus Watson and Terry Walling hosts highlight the gradual, faithful process required for becoming more genuine followers of Jesus.They discuss the relevance of learning from those who have left the church to gain a broader understanding of faith and community.Walling and Watson emphasize the importance of not forcing individuals to conform to existing church expressions, but to have open conversations.The conversation delves into the difficulties church leaders face when adapting to evolving congregational expectations and societal shifts.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINK:Terry Walling:Leader BreakthruPodcast - The Nomad ChroniclesBooks mentioned:Unlikely Nomads, by Terry WallingStuck, by Terry WallingDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
4/16/24 • 41:27
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson unpack a powerful quote from Steve Carter, "You only learn resilience through the fire and through the suffering." This quote emerged from Steve Carter's experience of letting go of everything he had known and worked towards when he offered his resignation from a church leadership position in the wake of abuse allegations against the senior pastor, Bill Hybels. From this, the conversation explores the concept of resilience and how leaders are formed in the crucible of change and suffering. Tod Bolsinger draws from his work in Tempered Resilience to discuss the importance of reflection, relationships, and spiritual practices in developing resilience in the face of suffering.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Markus Watson in Episode 163, You Can't Be Found if You're Never Lost :“You only learn resilience through the fire and through the suffering.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders develop resilience through facing the crucible of change and suffering.Reflecting, nurturing relationships, and spiritual practices are essential in developing resilience.Steve Carter's quote emphasizes the importance of willingly engaging with suffering to learn resilience.Formative leadership happens when individuals courageously face challenges, seeking growth amidst suffering.Resilience isn't just about enduring hardship, it's about embracing reflective practices and nurturing supportive relationships.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
4/9/24 • 07:23
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Daniel Lee is the academic dean for the Center for Asian American Theology and Ministry at Fuller Theological Seminary and author of Doing Asian American Theology.Daniel Lee discusses the fact that each of us does theology from a particular persepective. Recognizing our own "particularities" makes us far better leaders. Why? Because the more we are aware of our own cultural particularities, the more we become competent as leaders in regard to one another's cultural particularities.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Daniel Lee discusses the idea of God transcending divisive issues and the theological basis for God's perception of people.Daniel Lee initially saw his Korean heritage as baggage and tried to shed his cultural identity for a more generic evangelical perspective, but later realized the importance of embracing his Asian American identity in relation to his faith and theology.Initially resistant to being an Asian American theologian, Daniel Lee eventually embraced the need to articulate and address the significance of his cultural identity in his theological work.Daniel Lee points out that everyone has their own perspective and that when some perspectives become normalized, others are seen as abnormal. This issue exists in society and churches.Lee highlights the absence of modern-day race in the Bible and emphasizes the interaction between God and individuals, suggesting God's unique interaction with each person.Daniel Lee compares Asian American theology to the witness of God found in the gospels, emphasizing that theology is contextual and filtered through human perspective.It is important to recognize theology from an Asian American perspective and to witness to the one God collectively, while acknowledging that different perspectives yield a robust understanding of God.Ministry leaders need to move beyond crude stereotypes depicted in pop culture and gain a deeper understanding of colonial history and community-specific challenges.It is so important to gain more vocabulary and knowledge about different communities. We also need humility and adaptiveness when interacting with individuals and communities.Both Daniel Lee and Markus Watson talk about the importance of discerning and joining in with what God is doing within communities.It is important to understand particularity in theology, as well as apply ministry in specific and precise ways rather than using a generic approach.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Daniel Lee:Center for Asian American Theology and MinistryBooks mentioned:Doing Asian American Theology, by Daniel LeeDoing Local Theology, by Clemens SedmakChurch Leadership InstituteRelated Episodes:Episode 173: The Art of Interpreting Culture, with Justin BaileyEpisode 167: Called to Each Other, with Claude AlexanderEpisode 149: Ministry Leadership in a Racialized Society, with David SwansonEpisode 143: How the Church Can Respond to ImmiDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
4/2/24 • 38:39
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson explore a powerful quote from Lisa Lamb: "An abdication of leadership is also an abuse of leadership." Lisa's perspective as a preaching professor adds a unique angle to the discussion, highlighting the responsibility of leaders to recognize and respond to the needs they see in the world. Tod shares insights from his experience, emphasizing the collaborative nature of leadership in calling for change and transformation.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Lisa Lamb in Episode 161: Preaching for Deep Connection:“An abdication of leadership is also an abuse of leadership.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Abdicating leadership responsibilities is an abuse of leadership.Stepping into places of pain and taking responsibility is true leadership.Leadership is about convening people and inviting them to make a difference.Preaching serves leadership by calling people to take responsibility for change.Leadership in a changing world is a collaborative experience that involves using the preaching moment to call people to take responsibility for transformation.Did you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
3/26/24 • 06:28
Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this conversation, Adam McHugh, the author of Blood From a Stone, opens up about his transition from ministry as a hospice chaplain to the world of wine, becoming a wine tour guide and sommelier. Adam shares about the emotional rollercoaster that goes along with redefining one's identity and faith outside of traditionally established ministry roles.For pastors and ministry leaders struggling with letting go of their church-centered identities, or struggling with transitioning in the way they are called to lead in a constantly changing world, this conversation will encourage you to lean into the patience and the inner transformation needed to live and lead in new ways.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Adam McHugh shares his journey from ministry to a new career path, reflecting on the difficulty and fear associated with such a transition.Markus Watson and Adam McHugh explore the prevalence of compassion fatigue among pastors and chaplains, acknowledging the personal toll it takes.The conversation touches on the struggle to redefine personal identity and faith when moving beyond traditional pastoral roles.Adam McHugh recounts his impactful experiences as a hospice chaplain and how they shaped his sense of self and faith.Adam and Markus delve into the "dark night of the soul," discussing the profound search for authenticity amidst life's challenges.Adam McHugh describes his transition from being a pastor and chaplain to a sommelier and wine tour guide, revealing a new chapter of his life.Adam McHugh articulates the struggle of identity and the transformation he underwent from Reverend to sommelier, framing it as an evolution of his humanity.Adam McHugh and Markus Watson emphasize the necessity of acknowledging the end of one life phase before embracing a new one, underscoring the importance of the internal transition process.Markus Watson adds insight into the stress associated with pastoral duties and the importance of embracing one's humanity over a clerical role.Adam McHugh advises pastors grappling with identity transitions to be patient and considerate of the internal processes involved.The discussion reveals Adam McHugh's tumultuous shift from a pastoral identity to embracing a new community and profession.Markus Watson speaks to the ongoing journey of transformation, underscoring the significance of patience and being shaped by God's hand.Adam McHugh advises embracing patience during the difficult process of identity transition, recognizing that it is a part of the continual path of transformation.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Adam McHugh:Email – adammchugh@gmail.comInstagram - @adammchughwineInterVarsity Press bioBooks mentioned:Blood From a Stone, by Adam McHughPowers and Thrones, by Dan JonesManaging Transitions, by William BridgesRelated Episodes:Ep. 142: Navigating the 7 Stages of Transition, with D. Michael LindsayEp. 194: Saudade, Leadership, and Nurturing the Inner Life, with Jeff CrosbyDid you know Spiritual Life and Leadership has been named the #1 Spiritual Leadership Podcast by the Feedspot Podcasters Database? Check it out HERE!
3/19/24 • 35:47
