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Killer Casting

Hollywood Casting Director Lisa Zambetti is joined by movie and TV buff Dean Laffan to discuss the shows we all love, which feature killer casting. Have a question or comment? Have a suggestion for our next show? Drop us a DM on our Social Media pages and we will get right back to you !

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075 James Franco as Fidel
When news broke that actor James Franco had been cast as Fidel Castro in the indie film "Alina of Cuba", a lot of people had A LOT to say about it. Some people (like actor John Leguizamo) were appalled, and some (comedian Bill Maher) were appalled that people were appalled. So why is authentic representation in film and television so important to some and not to others. Lisa sits down with legendary casting director Carla Hool and multi-hyphenate powerhouse actor/producer/casting director Elaine Del Valle to discuss why this subject strikes so deeply in the Latin and Hispanic communities.   Lisa and Carla compare notes on the actors at the top of THEIR list for the role of Fidel Castro. Don't miss it!
48:03 09/09/2022
074 The Bear
“The Bear” is so authentic in its depiction of the dysfunctions of the restaurant industry, Lisa and Brian (both former servers) had PTSD watching it. But watch it they did!  We have a lot to say about the acting, story and soul of this wonderful FX/Hulu Original show.  #InTheWeeds #jeremyallenwhite #beyondshameless #thebear #huluoriginals #fx
50:35 07/12/2022
073 The Offer
We got a show ya can't refuse...all about THE OFFER series streaming on Paramount +, the behind the scenes take on the making of The Godfather movie. Some iconic characters come to life brilliantly in the show, despite some fast and loose re-telling of the facts. Our good friend Patrick Gallo is a delight as Mario Puzzo, Matthew Goode wears the Robert Evans role like a well-cut suit, and I can't even remember what Francis Ford Coppola really looks like because I can only imagine Dan Fogler. But first we pay tribute to a paisan who broke the mold...Ray Liotta. RIP
61:51 06/09/2022
072 Severance Part 2
Lisa, Dean, Matt and Mj resume their coverage of the brilliant Apple TV+ production Severance. Soak it up peeps ! Meanwhile, here are some links to help you binge on yet more goodies, now that the series finale has aired. In a marketing masterstroke, Apple Books have released a faux expose book by a fictional woman named Margaret “Peg” Kincaid. The book purports too be a tell-all by Peg spilling the beans on what’s really happening at Lumon. Get it from Apple Books. https://books.apple.com/us/book/severance/id1613220757  Seven awesome behind the-scenes stories you never knew about the making of Series 1. The first story by some guy called Dan Erickson …. https://www.vulture.com/article/severance-behind-the-scenes-stories.html The story behind the EPIC opening titles designed by enfant terrible Oliver Latta (aka Extraweg) In Dean’s opinion already the best titles of 2022 and unlikely to be beaten. https://mashable.com/article/severance-opening-titles-oliver-latta The Den of Geek article Dean mentioned deep diving on the fascination sci-fi has with corridors https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/in-praise-of-the-sci-fi-corridor/ A constantly updating guide to all of the irl locations where Severance was filmed, not least the iconic Bell Works in Holmdel, New Jersey which serves as the Lumon head office. https://www.atlasofwonders.com/2022/03/where-was-severance-filmed.html  An spooky recent picture gallery of the deserted Bell Works Lab designed by Finnish legend Eero Saarinen https://www.archdaily.com/469456/photos-of-eero-saarinen-s-abandoned-bell-labs Roxanna Hadadi over at Vulture has her own suspicions about what exactly Lumen is up to and what we might fond out in Series 2 Her own suspicions about what exactly Lumen is up to and what we might fond https://www.vulture.com/article/severance-finale-lumon-industries-eagan-theory-clues.html And finally Roxanna’s colleague Jackson McHenry has this great piece on the insanely great (see what I did there) Production Design of the series https://www.vulture.com/article/severance-office-design-explained.html ***************** And as always, our episodes come to you courtesy of our friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! *****************  
37:10 04/16/2022
071 Severance Part 1
What show has been mesmerizing Lisa and leading her to an existential crisis? Why the Apple TV series "Severance" developed by Ben Stiller and starring a full on flex of a cast making major pivots in what you have ever seen them do before. Lisa and Dean wrestle the mic from each other to extol the crap out of the microscopic details of this show. Joining them is screen riter Matt Shafeek, who read the original screenplay of Severance and shares with us the major differences in what made it to screen. Also joining our motley cru is sound editing expert MJ Hughes who reveals all the layers we might have missed. No major spoilers revealed here, just lots of geeking out on this super special genre defying show.
33:34 04/14/2022
069 Edward Hong Part 01
Our episodes come to you courtesy of our friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! ***************** This week Lisa is joined by eclectic actor Edward Hong, who has carved out quite a career in tv, film, stage, commercials and especially voice overs! Eddy’s voice can be heard in the English dubbing of the incredibly popular Netflix series “Squid Game” as well as in all kinds of anime, video games, scripted podcasts…you name it and he has probably voiced it.  Ed and Lisa careen through all kinds of topics including how he became famous as “The Cinnabon Guy”. (Yes really) Check out all things Eddy here https://linktr.ee/Cinnabonmonster 
35:55 04/09/2022
070 Edward Hong Part 02
Our episodes come to you courtesy of our friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! ***************** Lisa Zambetti: Lisa is back gabbing with Edward Hong…talking about so called “cancel” culture and how complicated it is for us emotionally as fans when our heroes fall — but how vital it is for us to be the first to call their crimes out. Is it possible to compartmentalize behavior vs art…and if it is possible, should it be? Lisa also talks about a very famous actress who confessed another famous actor slapped her across the face to get her into character. Wtf!  Please don’t hit the actresses! Keep your freaking hands to yourself!!!  But we also talk about OUR FLAG MEANS DEATH which features our mutual friend Samba Schutte!!! We get all into it…
40:54 04/09/2022
068 Oscars Wrap Up
This episode comes to you today with thanks to our new friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! ***************** The idiot savant team are back! Dean and Paul are flying solo (well that doesn’t actually make sense does it ?)  Let’s just say without Capt. Lisa as pilot-in-command. The boys cover off on their favourite Oscars moments, what worked .. what didn’t … Paul reviews his favourite part of any Oscars, that being the ‘In Memoriam’ section … which has been done well  … and done in appalling fashion, depending on who is driving that section in any given year, how did it fare this year ? Well, hit Play to find out that and a whole lot more ! Riz Ahmed's beautiful speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdO9Eyp4ZFY  Dianne Warren's frosty re action to Billie Eilish winning Best Song at the Oscars. https://youtu.be/UfpTx2eAglk  Steven Spielberg keeps his seat for Godfather https://youtu.be/h_Kb_MaBWT8?t=160    Maybe Francis will make Steven of aoffer he .. meh, you know.
51:31 04/04/2022
067 The Slap
Everyone is weighing on the confrontation at the 2022 Oscar ceremony between Will Smith and Chris Rock. While we wish we could focus on the winners (and we will), today seemed like a good time to get some perspective and context about the dramatic, confusing and shocking incident from other people who work in Hollywood. Joining Dean and Lisa to decompress and reflect on Will Smith, Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith and what the slap seen around the world means.  Thank you to our guests, Hollywood super star teacher, former agent Wendy Alane Wright....and award winning writer producer David Fortune.  They have very different views on the events and they are great at explaining why.
45:36 03/29/2022
066 Oscars '22 - Part 3 of 3
This episode comes to you today with thanks to our new friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! ***************** Well folks, here is our third installment of our Oscar 2022 coverage. We've wrung our hands, pulled our hair, paced up and down...but we think we finally have decided who to hand the "ZAMMY" to for excellence in Casting!  (tho, if you follow the pod, this won't be a shocker).
30:28 03/26/2022
065 Oscars '22 - Part 2 of 3
This episode comes to you today with thanks to our new friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order ! ***************** Lisa, Dean and Paul continue their casting review of all the Best Picture nominees, counting down to the winner of the "Zammy" (Excellence in Casting) Since the Film Academy doesn't give out that award! Lisa thinks it is almost impossible to compare "apples to orangatans" but there is certain criteria to consider if one is going to quantify "Best Casting".  You'd have to think about difficulty of roles, achievement of authenticity, outside of the box creativity, re-invention of an actor, chemistry of the cast, discovery of new actors, and casting well known actors in a totally different way. Let's see how the competitors fare!
36:47 03/26/2022
063 Oscars '22 - Part 1 of 3
This episode comes to you today with thanks to our new friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order !******************************** Aaaand away we go !  Lisa tries to put aside her 'Oscars 'Schmoscars' eye-roll over the awards .. especially as she is now an official card carrying MEMBER of the academy !  (Don’t believe us ?  … just hang around for 10 minutes, she’ll drop it … don’t worry. Lisa and Dean are joined today by Oscar savant Paul Thomas Anderson !   No wait .. that’s not right …  Sorry, that should read  ‘Paul Francis Sullivan’. Paul and Dean, (well briefed by Lisa) delve into the unusual format of an Oscars review which is predicated on all the Best Picture nominees rated by the quality of their casting. Paul and Dean are all over it, as you will hear. This is one of three parts, yes THREE! So buckle up and as Curtis Mayfield said; “people get ready” coz there’s lots more comimng from whence this came.
35:11 03/25/2022
064 CODA - Redux
This episode comes to you today with thanks to our new friends at Plantiva. Learn more at http://www.plantiva.com/killercasting and use the promo code KC25 to get 25% off your next order !******************************** Here in the final week before the 94th Academy Awards, we share this redux of Episode 048 celebrating the wonderful film CODA. Deservedly, it is up for THREE awards. Best Picture, Best Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor for the brilliant Troy Kotsur.  If you missed it first time, jump in now and if you heard it last year ...  listen again ! Full transcript: https://www.killercastingpod.com/podcast/episode/23cd3f8a/048-coda  ******************************** SHOW NOTES: Every once in a while a film comes along that simply transports you with its sheer brilliance — the brilliance of the sea shining on a bright, crisp Gloucester morning  CODA is one such film that approaches perfection. CODA (Children Of Deaf Adults) is many things at once, a coming of age story of a child finding her way into adulthood and independence; a rollicking chronicle of a loving hard working family; a damn funny movie that will in turn, touch, move, inspire and awe you. The success of a film like this hinges not so much on the story (it is a tale we have seen often), but on the casting of these wonderful roles who inhabit a world most of us have never experienced.  Ruby is the only hearing member of her family where her dad Frank, her mom  Jackie and her older brother Leo are all deaf. Those three roles are played by actors who are deaf in real life — which may seem like obvious casting choices, but in reality, actors who are deaf rarely get a chance to play roles this beautifully drawn. They rarely get to show off their astonishingly talent. But in this film, Troy Kotsur (who Lisa is starting a campaign right now for an Academy Award for this performance), Marlee Matlin and Daniel Durant all get a chance to shine brightly. The precocious Ruby is portrayed in a tour-de-force by Emilia Jones. As final treat, look out for the spellbinding performance of Eugenio Derbez as Bernardo Villalobos, Ruby's music teacher.  In lesser hands, this film could easily have wallowed in mediocre cliche, but under the assured direction of Sian Heder and with that stellar cast, what shouldn't work does. What should be hackneyed, soars and what could easily be mawkish, will move you to tears. Joining us to give a true perspective on the portrayal of deaf characters in this film, is the amazing actress/writer/producer Antoinette Abbamonte who is also part of the deaf acting community in Hollywood. And a special shout out goes to our ASL interpreter Nicole Pancino who joined us for Antoinette’s interview.   We could go ON for hours about this exquisite film .. in fact we almost do !   Enjoy
52:25 03/23/2022
062 Terry Knickerbocker
If you liked Part 1 of our interview with acting coach and all ‘round legend Terry Knickerbocker … you are going to LOVE Part 2! We continue our deep dive on transformational roles, covering some legendary performances you might expect( from the Ikes of De Niro) .. but some you may nor even had heard of  … (Theres your homework kids) We also discuss on his amazing alumni, not least of all Sam Rockwell, but also brilliant character actors like Yul Vasquez, Abbie Cornish, Chris Messina, and the likes of John Leguizamo and even tent pole talent like Daniel Craig. All coached by Terry. Yes, there is something for everyone in this one. Enjoy. Oh and if you really want a thrill, drop into his amazing Brooklyn Studio. Go for the world class coaching, stay for the stunning studio places and fung shui https://terryknickerbockerstudio.com
38:54 02/28/2022
061: HBO's Euphoria and transformative performances with Terry Knickerbocker
Lisa is ALL in on HBO’s Euphoria, and particularly Zendaya’s stunning transformative performance as a drug addicted teenager careening towards the abyss. We need to talk about it, pull it apart and examine what is making it so amazing. Here with Lisa and Dean to talk about transformative acting is acting teacher extraordinaire, Terry Knickerbocker who has coached many A-list actors.  Even if you’ve never seen Euphoria, you won’t want to miss our discussion.  #euphoria #hbomax #zendaya #terryknickerbocker
26:02 02/20/2022
060 Scream
I scream, you scream, we all scream for ... Sidney !  Lisa went back to the theater for the first time in two years just to see the latest iteration of the SCREAM franchise. She took along horror fan and actress Ashely Arpel Greenbaum to explain all the missing pieces from the previous movies. Its short, its sharp, its a bunch of fun and recorded on location ! Enjoy.
23:18 02/11/2022
Hire Survivors Hollywood
Happy New Year! I am thrilled today to sit down with actor, producer and advocate Sarah Ann Masse. In 2017, Sarah came forward with sexual misconduct allegations against Harvey Weinstein — one of many actresses (like Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd) who said they had also suffered sexual harassment and sexual assault by the producer. She tells me her story of what happened that day at Weinstein’s Connecticut home, the silence and anxiety she endured for years after, and the shocking backlash she says she suffered from our industry once she went public. Though Weinstein has been convicted of rape, sentenced to 23 years in New York prison and awaits another sexual assault trial in Los Angeles — many of his victims still suffer career retaliation for having spoken out. To turn that around, Sarah created her own initiative, Hire Survivors Hollywood, which aims to raise support for survivors of sexual violence within the entertainment industry by encouraging those in positions of power to make a pledge to hire survivors and silence breakers, and give them a fair chance through auditions, meetings and interviews, like any other person trying to make it in entertainment. I encourage all my beloved Casting Director colleagues, producers, writers, directors, studio and network executives to take the pledge: “I pledge to build a safer, more equitable industry by giving opportunities, auditions, & interviews to survivors & #SilenceBreakers. I’ll never retaliate against anyone for coming forward about sexual violence. I pledge to @HireSurvivors #TakeThePledge #HireSurvivorsHollywood” No one deserves to be punished for telling the truth. Follow Hire Survivors Hollywood on instagram, twitter, and facebook to join the conversation and learn more. Please use #HireSurvivorsHollywood to be a part of the conversation! If you have been a victim of sexual violence and believe you have faced direct or indirect career retaliation because of it please email our encrypted email address HireSurvivorsHollywood@protonmail.com Please also see the following resources if you need help. There are people who want to help you…so please reach out! Resources for Survivors of Sexual Violence RAINN – (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) is the nation’s largest anti-sexual violence organization. RAINN created and operates the National Sexual Assault Hotline (800.656.HOPE,  online.rainn.org y rainn.org/es In partnership with more than 1,000 local sexual assault service providers across the country and operates the DoD Safe Helpline for the Department of Defense. RAINN also carries out programs to prevent sexual violence, help survivors, and ensure that perpetrators are brought to justice. CALL THEIR 24/7 HOTLINE FOR HELP 800.656.4673 1 in 6 – The mission of 1in6 is to help men who have had unwanted or abusive sexual experiences live healthier, happier lives. Their mission also includes serving family members, friends, partners, and service providers by providing information and support resources on the web and in the community. Please use their 24/7 online chatline Birdbrain – is an art therapy non-profit for people impacted by sexual trauma. Our mission is to comfort sexual trauma victims and assist members of their support networks throughout the long-term stages of recovery. To achieve this we focus on restorative ways people can feel confident, practice self-care, relate to others, and establish their own individual journey in a society that is not yet designed to accommodate their needs. We do this by showing solidarity through our birdbrain clothing line, providing art therapy kits that alleviate PTSD symptoms, and offering education resources like our workbook Birdbrain: a Field Guide to the New Normal.  Echo Training – Echo provides education on trauma and resilience to survivors and those who support them. They have amazing free resources available here and online trainings available here. This organization is run by a silence breaker and is entirely focused on empowering survivors. PAVE – Shattering the Silence with PAVE is a movement to create a world free of sexual violence and build communities that support survivors. We aim to empower students, parents, and civic leaders to end sexual violence with prevention education, promoting respect for oneself and each other. Additionally, PAVE creates a safe space for survivors to thrive after trauma. Peace Over Violence – Peace Over Violence operates The Los Angeles Rape and Battering Hotline, a confidential, non-judgmental resource where staff and volunteers are available to provide emotional support, advocacy, information, and referrals. If you or someone you care about has been a victim of sexual assault, domestic violence, or intimate partner stalking in Los Angeles, please call this 24-hour crisis line. Central Los Angeles: (213) 626-3393
South Los Angeles: (310) 392-8381
West San Gabriel Valley: (626) 793-3385 Rape Treatment Center – The Rape Treatment Center provides comprehensive, free services for sexual assault victims 24 hours a day, including specialized emergency medical care, forensic/evidentiary examinations, counseling, advocacy, and information about rights and options to help victims make informed choices and decisions. Services are provided in a dedicated, private clinic located within Santa Monica-UCLA Medical Center. The RTC also provides longer-term therapy for victims and other support services. Call the RTC at (424) 259-7208. Survivors.org – Survivors.org works daily to ensure that we have a growing and thriving group of survivor committed organizations for those needing assistance. We have teams of actual (amazing!) humans who spend each day searching for, reaching out, and working with survivor focused organizations. We also coordinate with top experts to bring high quality information to our community of providers. This helps keep the community alive and thriving, while also allowing us to convey important, impactful and interesting content to our partners. These Lunch and Learn events are done at least monthly. Because we are so survivor focused, but early in our journey, we are exploring additional survivor support models such as bringing lunch and learns to the wider world, hosting survivor support circles, and also additional innovative online survivor support tools. Strength United – is dedicated to ending abuse, empowering families and developing leaders. Strength United is honored to be an important part of making the world a safer place for all. Our work supports families, prevents sexual and domestic violence, and provides healing and support for those who have survived abuse. We aim to take a traumatic event in an individual or family’s life and turn it into a point of strength. For more information, call our 24-Hour Support and Referral Lines 818-886-0453 661-253-0258 If you are in immediate danger, call 911. Statement of Nondiscrimination Strength United does not and shall not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, gender expression, age, national origin, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, or military status, in any of its activities or operations.  These activities include, but are not limited to, selection of volunteers and provision of services. We are committed to providing an inclusive and welcoming environment for all members of our staff, clients, volunteers, subcontractors, vendors, and clients. TIME’S UP Legal Defense Fund – will help defray legal and public relations costs in select cases for those who have experienced sexual harassment or related retaliation in the workplace. The Fund is housed at and administered by the National Women’s Law Center, an established, national, women’s rights legal organization. Voices in Action – works to prevent and eradicate sexual harassment, misconduct, and assault in the entertainment industry. Voices in Action offers an accessible and safe space to report incidents of misconduct and abuse online, offering referrals for trusted legal and emotional support services and the ability to safely connect with victims of the same abuser under privilege and confidentiality through attorneys. Voices in Action is an initiative of empowerment and strength by using one’s Voice. We were created by survivors, for survivors, and represent all genders. Women in Film Sexual Harassment Helpline – The WIF Help Line is an integrated program offering resources and support—including referrals to pro bono legal services, sliding-scale therapy, and free support groups—for anyone who has experienced sexual harassment or misconduct while working in the entertainment industry. Our trauma-informed staff responders take calls from across the country. Pro bono attorneys are available for callers in California, New York, and Georgia. Local mental health and emotional support services currently serve the cities of Los Angeles, New York City, and Atlanta. Call 855.WIF.LINE OR: 855.943.5463 7:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. PT | Monday, Wednesday, Friday 10:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. PT | Tuesday and Thursday
37:40 01/03/2022
058: Bond, James Bond
Lisa sez; "I don't GAF about who the next James Bond might be,  I don't even care about what's-his-face, who is about to retire from playing the current Bond ... change my mind" Deano is joined by extreme film nerd Paul Francis Sullivan and famous (infamous ?) Producer, Adam Spiegelman to dive into the past and present Bondiverse to try and bring Lisa on board. Do we succeed ?  Well [you know this is coming] you'll have to listen to find out!  Along the way, just like Jefferson Airplane, Paul will ‘feed your head’ with amazing, heretofore unknown Bondian nuggets. Adam has some inside Hollywood goss and Dean just tries to keep up … with varying degrees of success.  In this ep, the boss also lets us all plug our OWN pods ! (OMG) Adam has his hilarious pod covering the best worst films of all time. ‘Proudly Resents’ (That is BIG vertical) You can expect this pod to run forever. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/proudly-resents-the-cult-movie-podcast/id373063266  Paul Francis Sullivan has the insane baseball pod 'Locked on MLB' https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/locked-on-mlb-daily-podcast-on-major-league-baseball/id1361879433 where during baseball season  he puts out … One episode per month ?  ... nope.   One episode per week ? ... nope.  One episode per FREAKIN DAY PEOPLE !  ... and in the off-season his is till jonesing on off-season news, collectibles  ... you name it. So his  pod will likely not finish until our sun goes supernova and envelops the earth, or he shuffles off this mortal coil ... whichever comes first. Meanwhile, in another life Dean  is a scuba diver/cavediver/freediver and co-convenor of one of the world's biggest diving events. Listen in to the Ozdive Podcast which is replaying previously unheard presentations from the world's top explorers, hyperbaric geeks, historians, divers, film makers and all sorts of n'er do wells  in scuba, cave and technical diving and world class freedivers. Take a deep breath and dive in ! https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/ozdiveshow-podcast/id1587465467  And of course when not casting everything under the sun in Hollywood, or blessing us with her godly presence on our humble little pod, Lisa is the founder, co-producer, co-presenter  of a teeeeeeensy weeeensy little true crime pod known as ‘Real Crime Profile’ I think if you google it, you may get a hit or two. Here let me help you  … https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/real-crime-profile/id1081244497  Oooooh … not far til Christmas now folks !
54:58 12/18/2021
057 Thanksgiving Bingeing
It's that time of year! We are so "thankful" that it is time to binge on good food and great tv. Catch up with Lisa, Dean and Ashley on what they have been obsessing over and what they want to catch up on now that holiday time has begun! #yellowjackets, #dexter #grimm, #animalkingdom #curbyourenthusiasm #Fargo #Mrinbetween #Futurama #SiliconValley #HaltandCatchFire #Lillyhammer #Ozark #JasonBateman #Succession #Brian Cox #Bladerunner #EllenBarkin
48:10 11/24/2021
056 The Guilty on Netflix
It's a mashup !  True crime and film collide ... Lisa and Dean are joined by Real Crime Profile's Jim Clemente (Retired FBI Criminal Behavioral Profiler and Writer/Producer on CBS' Criminal Minds) to break down the new Netflix thriller "The Guilty" starring Jake Gyllenhaal who plays a cop doing desk duty as a 911 Dispatcher (with a fantastic cast of actors doing spectacular voice over work). Joining the gang are not one but TWO real life 911 Dispatchers, Susan Nofplotes from Florida and Katie Gregory-Tims from Texas. We go in depth to see just how accurate the portrayal of 911 calls and emergency situations are depicted. (you may be surprised) Jim gets the chance to ask these seasoned professionals what they thought of the 911 calls relevant in the tragic death of Gabby Petito. THIS is one episode you don't want to miss !
71:59 10/26/2021
055 The Tragic Death of Halyna Hutchins
On today’s episode we react to the tragic death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins who was accidentally shot while on set of the film “Rust”. Details are still emerging and it is unclear whether there was a breakdown of safety protocol, of communication — or perhaps the inexperience of a non union crew — that left Ms. Hutchins and director Joel Souza (who was also injured) unprotected and vulnerable to this tragedy. What we do know is that there are supposed to be checks and balances to keep cast and crew safe. There are also many other ways to deliver explosive effects that do not include “live rounds” in a scene. Joining us to talk about this and other on-set dangers is veteran actor Xander Berkeley (Terminator 2, Heat, A Few Good Men, Taken, Air Force One, Leaving Los Vega, Apollo 13, Candy Man, The Walking Dead, Justified, Nikita) who has been in in many shoot out scenes and has the scars to prove it. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0075359/  Also joining us is Steve Meyers, an Emmy and VES winning Visual Effects Supervisor. Steve began his tenure by taking the helm on the highly successful television series Criminal Minds, which he supervised for the last eight seasons of production. Along the way, he’s overseen many other series for FuseFX, including Hell on Wheels, Good Girls Revolt, Mayan’s MC, and Hollywood. https://fusefx.com/the-team/ https://www.visualeffectssociety.com  If you feel unsafe on set for any reason, including harassment, send a tip via the IATSE Safety Hotline at 844-422-9273 Lisa and Dean have many questions for these two highly experienced professionals…but most importantly our thoughts go out to Halyna’s family. #hernamewashalynahutchins
39:24 10/23/2021
054: Scream Queens
What do Jamie Lee Curtis, Neve Campbell, Betty Gabriel, Adrienne Barbeau, Vera Farmiga, Lupita Nyong’o and Anya Taylor-Joy have in common? Well that’s not really hard to figure out. They are all bonafide Scream Queens — that echelon of actress that is at the top of the horror genre. Joining Lisa to discuss how this archetype has evolved over the years is our favorite Queen who is such a scream himself, H. Alan Scott, aka Sadie Pines! http://www.halanscott.com You can listen to H. Alan’s new project “The Murder of Robert Wone” on Audible. https://amzn.to/3lPG8Rw You can read the book Lisa mentions “Men, Women, and Chainsaws: Gender in the Modern Horror Film” by Carol J. Clover https://amzn.to/3n04d7x
45:37 10/17/2021
053 Scariest Performances
t’s the scary month of October! And what really terrifies us? Is it the hairy creature, the slimy alien, the relentless psychopath? Or is it the monster within ourselves? Or both? (Jack Nicholson in “The Shining” anyone?) Join Lisa, Dean and our special guest producer Ben Raphael Sher (Eli Roth’s “History of Horror”) as we talk about the scariest performances by actors we’ve ever seen in film and tv.
50:11 10/13/2021
052: Midnight Mass
Wait, you are telling me that there is a spooky series starring Hamish Linklater, Zach Gilford (aka Matt Saracen), set in a tiny coastal town with a bunch of Neil Diamond songs playing all over the place? Lisa is SOOOOO in! Lisa sits down with award winning writer Heidi Nyburg and dazzling actress Ashley Arpel Greenwald to breakdown the first ep of the hit Netflix series “Midnight Mass”. Created by Mike Flanagan We talk about how elegantly the show throws down the premise and intros all the characters in a very unique way…and we all take turns guessing what will happen next! (What’s in the boooooooxxxxxxxx?)
50:06 10/07/2021
051: Nitram
TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains explicit descriptions of violence. Please exercise care when listening. SPOILER ALERT: This episode contains spoilers of the film “Nitram”. However, the true events that this film is based upon are well known particularly in Australia. On April 28th 1996, Australia experienced the worst mass shooting massacre in its history as 35 people were murdered in Port Arthur Tasmania by a 28 year old white male shooter. This week on Killer Casting, we cover the new film “Nitram” written by Shaun Grant and directed by Justin Kurzel, which probes the sequence of events and behavior of this shooter, his family and other significant relationships leading up to that horrific day. Starring Caleb Landry Jones, Judy Davis, Anthony LaPaglia, no one in the film ever utters the name of this shooter, nor does it show the graphic violence he unleashed on so many innocent people. Instead it picks apart the many intervention points that might have derailed him from his heinous crime. A film like this we could not possibly analyze alone, with us to understand the difference between fact and fiction is Dr. Tim Watson-Munro, an Australian Criminal Psychologist world recognised in his field and an expert in the psychology of mass shooting offenders. Dr. Watson-Munro himself treated a number of the survivors of the massacre. You won’t want to miss this very special episode of Killer Casting Podcast. #rememberthevictimsofportarthur Winifred Joyce Aplin, 58 Walter John Bennett, 66 Nicole Louise Burgess, 17 Sou Leng Chung, 32 Elva Rhonda Gaylard, 48 Zoe Anne Hall, 28 Elizabeth Jayne Howard, 26 Mary Elizabeth Howard, 57 Mervyn John Howard, 55 Ronald Noel Jary, 71 Tony Vadivelu Kistan, 51 Leslie Dennis Lever, 53 Sarah Kate Loughton, 15 David Martin, 72 Noelene "Sally" Joyce Martin, 69 Pauline Virjeana Masters, 49 Alannah Louise Mikac, 6 Madeline Grace Mikac, 3 Nanette Patricia Mikac, 36 Andrew Bruce Mills, 39 Peter Brenton Nash, 32 Gwenda Joan Neander, 67 William Xeeng Ng, 48 Anthony Nightingale, 44 Mary Rose Nixon, 60 Glenn Roy Pears, 35 Russell James Pollard, 72 Janette Kathleen Quin, 50 Helene Maria Salzmann, 50 Robert Graham Salzmann, 57 Kate Elizabeth Scott, 21 Kevin Vincent Sharp, 68 Raymond John Sharp, 67 Royce William Thompson, 59 Jason Bernard Winter, 29 Today our opening music is by: Lesfm You can find Dr. Watson-Munro’s books here: “A Shrink in the Clink” https://amzn.to/3DeqKnh and Dancing with Demons https://amzn.to/3BdnbNH
68:26 10/05/2021
050: Hulu Wrap-up
Lisa sez: "Cut the cord peoples!" Brian sez: "Don't forget your animated options" Dean sez: "Whats a Hulu?"  Your intrepid reporters from the global resources of the vast Killer Casting Network (KCN) deep dive what is currently keeping them, up way too late, bed-less, bingeing and burning bits & bytes ("But honey ... just one more episode .... PUHlease ?") Lisa gives a big plug for Reservation Dogs (well she WOULD wouldn't she, coz she was part of the casting team for the pilot !) But hey ... charity starts at home, right ? Also you can hear her thoughts on; The Handmaids Tale, a crazy Nicole Kidman in Nine Perfect Strangers , Y The Last Man, Patton Oswalt in Marvel's animated 'Modok'. But wait ! #notdoneyet ... she also gives shoutouts to 'The Great' with Elle Fanning and Nic Hoult, Alex Garland's 'Devs', The TV re-boot of Nic Hornsby's 'High Fidelity' starring Zoe Kravitz, the sexy/sad Brit offering of Normal People' and the adapted-from-the-podcast 'American Crime Story: Impeachment' covering the Clinton/Lewinsky saga. Brian has been on an animated tear (That's 'tear' ... not 'tear') so he sketches out why you should watch Solar Opposites from Justin Roiland the creator of Rick and Morty and lays out the result of the love child between Kiwi geniuses Jermaine Clement and Taika Waititi .. that would be the vampire mockumentary comedy 'What We Do in the Shadows' Dean (with no Hulu in Australia) raids his tagged items in the Aussie-based Stan Disney+ and  Binge platforms to come up with the gripping British crime drama 'Vigil'. He also likes The White Lotus and is rewatching the classic Working Dog Productions' razor sharp satire 'Utopia' (which is scarily accurate to his corporate day job) Dea) WAS going to search up all of the trailers for these shows, to save YOU the trouble, but has decided he cant be arsed and you can do it yourselves. So on that note ... we'll see you on the socials!
39:54 09/23/2021
049: Michael K Williams Remembered
Today we are paying special tribute to an actor we lost too soon, who was an astonishing talent, exceptional human being and whom Lisa had the great fortune of casting in two projects… Michael Kenneth Williams. Known for creating such iconic roles such as Omar in “The Wire”, Chalky White in “Boardwalk Empire” and Bobby McCray in “When They See Us”, Lisa, Dean and our special guest, actor Patrick Gallo, breakdown exactly what made Michael’s work so special. LINKS: Wonderfully detailed 30 min interview with Michael as he breaks down in detail, many of his iconic performances. Don't miss this clip ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBtPXIgid8 A brilliant 3 minute short where Michael chats with 4 different versions of himself discussing being typecast https://youtu.be/Vv3_3PQsJA8 The powerful scene from 'When They See Us' which we played in the pod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-nb2yyr7Kk  David Sims at The Atlantic with a great thoughtful short piece on Michael https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/09/michael-k-williams/620001 Noah Remnnick's excellent NYT long form piece on Michael from 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/nyregion/michael-k-williams-is-more-than-omar-from-the-wire.html 
33:13 09/10/2021
048: CODA
Every once in a while a film comes along that simply transports you with its sheer brilliance — the brilliance of the sea shining on a bright, crisp Gloucester morning  CODA is one such film that approaches perfection. CODA (Children Of Deaf Adults) is many things at once, a coming of age story of a child finding her way into adulthood and independence; a rollicking chronicle of a loving hard working family; a damn funny movie that will in turn, touch, move, inspire and awe you. The success of a film like this hinges not so much on the story (it is a tale we have seen often), but on the casting of these wonderful roles who inhabit a world most of us have never experienced.  Ruby is the only hearing member of her family where her dad Frank, her mom  Jackie and her older brother Leo are all deaf. Those three roles are played by actors who are deaf in real life — which may seem like obvious casting choices, but in reality, actors who are deaf rarely get a chance to play roles this beautifully drawn. They rarely get to show off their astonishingly talent. But in this film, Troy Kotsur (who Lisa is starting a campaign right now for an Academy Award for this performance), Marlee Matlin and Daniel Durant all get a chance to shine brightly. The precocious Ruby is portrayed in a tour-de-force by Emilia Jones. As final treat, look out for the spellbinding performance of Eugenio Derbez as Bernardo Villalobos, Ruby's music teacher.  In lesser hands, this film could easily have wallowed in mediocre cliche, but under the assured direction of Sian Heder and with that stellar cast, what shouldn't work does. What should be hackneyed, soars and what could easily be mawkish, will move you to tears. Joining us to give a true perspective on the portrayal of deaf characters in this film, is the amazing actress/writer/producer Antoinette Abbamonte who is also part of the deaf acting community in Hollywood. And a special shout out goes to our ASL interpreter Nicole Pancino who joined us for Antoinette’s interview.   We could go ON for hours about this exquisite film .. in fact we almost do !  So stop reading this and listen in to our podcast right now. If you are reading this and are deaf or hard of hearing please find a complete transcript of this interview on our website  here.  #CODA film #AntoinetteAbbamonte #EmiliaJones #TroyKotsur, #MarleeMatlin #DanielDurant #EugenioDerbez #SianHeder #OscarForTroy #CODA film #Antoinette Abbomonte #EmiliaJones #TroyKotsur, #MarleeMatlin #DanielDurant #Eugenio Derbez #SianHeder  ******************  Episode Transcript  ******************** [Scene from the film ‘CODA’] FADE IN: INT. Home of Ruby’s teacher Bernardo Villanova (aka ‘MR. V) –- MORNING MR V sits at his piano in a large light filled room, accompanying Ruby Rossi as she sings‘Both Sides Now’ by Joni Mitchell.   RUBY 🎼 They shake their heads, they say I've changed.   BERNARDO VILLALOBOS: Breathe.   RUBY 🎼 Well something's lost but something's gained.   BERNARDO Breathe!   RUBY 🎼In living every day.   BERNARDO      Exasperatedly No, let it out, let it out. Don’t hold it. Don’t hold it! Ruby, no. If you're going to pick Joni Mitchell, you're going to sing it. This is one of the great songs.   RUBY Walks dejectedly away from Bernardo Yeah, I know.   BERNARDO You either find a way to connect to it, or pick a different song.   Bernardo suddenly claps theatrically and walks to Ruby, shakes his arms back and forth and asks her to do it too, she follows reluctantly   Okay, come on. Shake your body. Shake it. Shake your arms. Now, sing back at me. 🎼Me, me, me, me… Come on. RUBY Sings meekly 🎼Me, me, me, me. BERNARDO   No, no you are holding it. RUBY I'm not. BERNARDO Yeah, you're trying to sound pretty. RUBY I'm not. BERNARDO Yes, you are.      Both Ruby and Bernardo are frustrated with each other   BERNARDO Okay. You said when you started school you talked funny. Funny how?   RUBY (Dismissively) I talked like a deaf person.   BERNARDO What does a deaf person sound like?   RUBY You know.   BERNARDO No, no, I don't know. I want you to tell me.   RUBY Different.       BERNARDO Different how!? RUBY Like, wrong. Ugly.   BERNARDO      Puts his hands on hips and challenges Ruby Ugly? .. Okay. Make an ugly sound for me.   RUBY What?   BERNARDO Come on. Yeah. You think you were the only kid whoever got bullied? Whoever had a funny accent?   Bernardo faces Ruby and he gets her to extend her arms out. They lock hands, fingers intertwined,   BERNARDO Look in my eyes. Push back in my hands as hard as you can. Push, push. Look at me. Make the ugliest, grossest sound you can. Come on!   Ruby growls at Bernardo like an animal and he growls back they exchange several growls and raws but Ruby’s heart is not really in it, she looks embarrassed.   BERNARDO Go! Be a monster!   Suddenly Ruby reaches down inside herself and lets loose a full throated passionate raw directly into Bernardo’s face. BERNARDO Now, sing at me !   RUBY Ruby sings straight back at him with passion and a blaze in her eyes 🎼I've looked at life from both sides now. From win and lose and still somehow.   BERNARDO Claps his hands enthusiastically Yes! That's it! That's it. That's what I was waiting for.   Bernardo high fives a still stunned Ruby who then smiles and shakes her head END SCENE:   Lisa Zambetti: Hello! Welcome to Killer Casting. This is Lisa Zambetti, I’m probably best known as the Casting Director for CBS’ “Criminal Minds” and co-casting director for the FX series the pilot for “Reservation Dogs”, which I'm so, so proud of. And it seems to be doing really great on Hulu. I hope you're all watching it. But today is an example of exactly why I started this podcast.   It's because when I see a project like the film we're going to discuss today, one that fills me with such joy that has such an incomparable and indelible cast. I absolutely need to talk about it. I need to shout it out to the world and really not just praise it, but break it down. Why is it praiseworthy? What are the elements that make it (for me) as a Casting Director, as a former actor, as a director, as a writer  … what makes the film in question so exceptional?   And of course, I’m talking about the film CODA, written and directed by Sian Heder which is playing now on Apple TV Plus. It stars Marlee Matlin, Troy Kotsur, Emilia Jones, Daniel Durant, and Eugenio Derbez and boy, does it pay respect to each and every character in the film. Anyway, I don't want to talk about it by myself. I’ve got to chew it over with bigger and better minds in my own. So please say hello to my beautiful co-host the Thunder From Down Under, Dean Laffan. Hi, Dean.   Dean Laffan: Hi Lisa, good to see you, good to chat and discuss this unusual (for me), film. Lisa Zambetti: For this particular movie, because it's so special. I'm probably going to start crying because it's just really moved me so much. I'm very protective of it. And I simply can't explain why it just moved me on so many levels. Anyway, I wanted to have on, an actor that I cast many, many years ago. She is an amazing actress, producer and a writer. She's also part of the deaf community and her name is Antoinette Abbamonte.   Antoinette, thank you so much for joining us. I was saying earlier you have not aged a day since I cast you in 2012. On a TV show called “The New Normal”. It's so good to see you!   Antoinette Abbamonte: Oh, thank you, Lisa. Thank you.   Lisa Zambetti: And I should say that you and I are able to hear Antoinette’s thoughts today because we're using an interpreter, the wonderful Nicole Pancino. Thank you for joining us, Nicole. Antoinette, how are you?   Antoinette Abbamonte: I am doing great. I am enjoying life. I'm working now with some writers to make sure that the Deaf culture is properly representative and that we have really good strong leading characters and it's been so fun. And the important thing for me is I have to have fun doing it because that's how I know I'm going to continue doing something. That is just my thing and being creative and just pulling out whatever ideas I can, I've done that since I was a little girl. I just always love coming up with ideas, anything  … Sci-Fi … I've enjoyed all of it. And that's what we're working on now. It's a Sci-Fi project.   Lisa Zambetti: Oh cool. So I should tell our listeners and our viewers who are watching this because we're going to post this on YouTube. The Deaf community is not a monolith. There are people for whom, when Antoinette says proper representation, what that means to her could mean something completely different to other people in the community.   I don't know what she thought about CODA at all, I know that there are people who are championing it. And there are parts of the deaf community who aren't. And I've heard a couple of criticisms that stab me in the heart, but that's okay. But I just want to get from both you and Dean, your immediate hits off of it.   But I do want to break it down. What we do Antoinette is we really break down the movie, like we literally will go scene-to-scene to really dig in and analyze something and not just make assumptions. Because some of the criticisms I've heard, well I went back and rewatched the movie, and none of the things that they're talking about are actually in the movie. It's almost like those criticisms are assumptions that they've made about the movie, which is interesting. But anyway, tell me, what do you think of CODA?   Antoinette Abbamonte: Well, first, the word that comes to me is “wow”. And I really applaud the people who are working on that (film). The actors that they hired were deaf. So finally, we're having that kind of representation. It took (until) 2021 for that to happen. We need to be able to come in the door and watching the story, there are some deaf family stories that I can see are common in the world. So I think we should be able to see these authentic stories. I think that is by far the most important thing to get those deaf actors in, and (then) they're really doing the work. I can't say enough good things about them. Marlee Matlin, Troy Kotsur, Daniel Durant all did a fantastic job. And I completely support the work all of them did.   Lisa Zambetti: Oh, I'm so happy to hear that! I have so much to say, what you just said has just sparked so many ideas. Dean now, what did you think?   Dean Laffan: Well, when you first mentioned this film, and I looked at the trailer, and I'm thinking oh okay, a ‘feel good movie’. It's got elements of this and that (in that genre) . I (usually) tend towards the darker side of things with films, for instance, possibly my most hated film of all time, is Forrest Gump.   Lisa Zambetti: I don't think you're alone there …   Dean Laffan: I can't stand how manipulative it tries to be! I can't stand that it celebrates this kind of. … I'm probably going to use the wrong word, but I don't mean it maybe the way it comes out. But just the sort of celebration of ‘mediocrity’ or the idea that, oh anyone can do anything if you just keep running (Forrest!), if you just do this, life will be fine, and it all works out. Forest Gump asks you to participate in that kind of bullshit. That's how I feel about that movie.   So I'm looking at CODA thinking, ‘Oh here we go …’ So what is my reaction to this film .. ?  well like you, Lisa, I'm still choked up. This is an incredible film. I have not been moved by a film like this since .. I can’t even remember when. And I have a little bit of tears in my eyes now just thinking about it. And I don't cry in films!  I'm an Aussie bloke, we don't do that. But I'm sitting, watching this film. (And I knew from the trailer), I've even mentioned to you before, a week ago, I said, Oh my god, there's one scene in the trailer, I think this film is going to hit me. And I did tear up. And I choked up at a couple of other points in the film. And then there was one point in the film where I completely and utterly lost my shit, and I had tears streaming down my face. I can't remember the last time I felt hot tears on my face watching a film.   It is the most beautiful, beautiful film. And what I love about it is that it is so incredibly true. And I don't mean that it's a documentary. You know what I mean … What I mean is that it is full of truth, (as far as I understand it). Well the performances are anyway, I can't speak to any experience of being deaf. But it's authentic, (it feels authentic), and it's just incredibly moving. So I was simply so happy to see this film. Very, very happy.   Lisa Zambetti: Yeah. And when you say it strikes you as true, I mean for me, obviously, I'm not deaf, but I am a mom. And I do have teenagers who are about to go out into the world. I understand what it's like for a family to struggle. I understand what it's like to feel isolated or just feel … I mean … there's so many things that just hit me watching it.  And Antoinette I want you to talk about who Troy Kotsur is to the acting community. And I should say, (and I wish Jim Clemente were here), we cast Troy on Criminal Minds as a serial killer the year before I started on Criminal Minds. And would you believe I only found that out today. Troy came in for the same series that I cast you on. Okay, he came in for a role … I think it was to play your husband and that's the first time I met him but I've seen him so many times. Talk about who he is, and why we are cheering the fact that so many more people in the world will now know of his genius.   Antoinette Abbamonte: His use of sign language is out of this world. He puts so much in, and he loves to really become whatever character he's portraying. He'll take risks, which I appreciate in his work. I think that is absolutely astounding. And in CODA, there was so much color there.   Lisa Zambetti: Yeah, well, we swear all the time on this show. And so I really appreciated his just poetic use of profanity and dirtiness. I just fucking loved it. I mean, he just went there.  Antoinette, the things that he signed, are they in the ASL or is he improvising? Is he making things up .. I'm just so ignorant about it. What do you have to say about that?   Antoinette Abbamonte: Well, from my understanding for this film, you could do some improvisation, you don't have to have the script exactly in mind. But having not looked at the script, I'm not sure how much of it was just kind of, him going his own direction. For me, the way he expressed himself in sign language? … I'm not sure if we would do that, in real life with our deaf family to talk to our own daughters, (as he did) with his daughter, I mean, to me it felt a little too much. But he may have made the choice to do that to really have as much fun as possible. And I'm not sure what his intentions were about the way he performed it though …   Lisa Zambetti: Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know is there really a sign for ‘twat waffle’? (Laughs) Or, you know, any of those very colorful words that the brother and sister have for each other. I just thought that was so great.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Well, I was just going to say, teenagers, high school aged, people who go to schools of the deaf, yeah, you're probably going to see that kind of dirty sign language going on, that kind of graphic (signing) it's a sign language, because it's very evocative of what it looks like. And so you'll see that a lot for deaf teenagers. I don't know that you'd see that kind of language used in home environments. We're talking about siblings here. I came from a deaf family. My parents are deaf, my brother is deaf. We certainly never did anything along those lines. We don't have those kinds of discussions about sex in my life at all. That was not part of what we did. My parents moved in from another country so I don't know if that possibly influenced it. Maybe here in the United States, deaf families would be that way. That just wasn't what it was for mine, so I can't speak to others.   Lisa Zambetti: I wanted to mention to people who haven't seen the movie yet, can you just define what does CODA mean? In terms of this movie, Antoinette? Antoinette Abbamonte: Oh, sure. CODA (Child Of Deaf Adult). So a child who has Deaf parents. There's also a CODA spelled KODA (Kid Of Deaf Adults), that's for a young kid of deaf adults. And in a way I'm a CODA too, who just happened to be deaf because I am a child who had Deaf parents.   Lisa Zambetti: That's right.   Antoinette Abbamonte: And I very much supported my parents, especially my mom, because as I mentioned earlier, she moved from another country with a different language, a different sign language, so she had to learn ASL from my dad. My father moved here when he was 10, and went to a residential school for deaf students so he learned ASL, but when my mom moved here, she was 22. So she didn't know American Sign Language. She had to learn that after she got here, so I remember I had to help her out with reading English because she wasn't comfortable with reading English. And we used to have this old ‘teletypewriter’ they were called, to make phone calls typewritten out into written language. So I had to help my mom make her phone calls. And she eventually had to go and learn English in school. So that was my experience. So I can see a little bit of that experience for me, from what I saw in the film.   Dean Laffan: The other thing as well Lisa in terms of the film is that CODA, (as we know, from Francis Ford Coppola’s film ‘CODA: The Death of Michael Corleone’) that CODA in musical terms, is a passage that brings the particular piece of music to an end, which, of course, is what the film is kind of about. Lisa Zambetti: Right. So if you haven't seen the film, it is about this family of four where it happens to be, that three of the members (Mom Dad and the eldest brother) are deaf, and the youngest child (Ruby) is not and it's a movie where we really get a snapshot of what their life is like, being these fishermen in Gloucester and how Ruby’s got to help her family. She's grown to help her family, but clearly they had the ability to make this business run long before she was born. So it's not like they're helpless and they can't survive without her. But I think as in many farming families or fishing families, the children become enveloped in the parents work. And it's just the sort of seamless thing that you do the family business. And now this is the time for her to figure out how to break out of that, is she going to break out of it? And it's just an amazing story in that way that I think so many families can relate to whether you're in the hearing community or not.   Dean Laffan: By the way, Lisa, how much are we going to plot spoil here?   Lisa Zambetti: Oh, the whole thing.   Dean Laffan: Everything? Okay. So warning, folks.   Lisa Zambetti: I want people to love the film.   Dean Laffan: If this sounds interesting to you turn the podcast off now. (Or stop reading this transcript) Go and watch the film, and then come back and listen to the rest of the podcast. Because it is hard to talk about the film and give it the love which it deserves without spoiling the plot. So please, press Pause. Come back and pick us up where you left off.   Lisa Zambetti: But one of the things that makes Troy so believable is that he has that sort of weathered, wizened face of someone who has spent their whole life on the sea. And the way he uses his body … he’s got these great bandy, bow legs when he walks around and his body is just so relaxed and settled into itself. I just loved that. And his emotion as he's struggling to figure out how to keep his business literally afloat. Should he push his daughter to leave and go to college? But it's so much easier to have her stay and he is trying to understand what it means for her to sing. Because it seems her singing is something that just comes out of the blue. What did you think of that plot Antoinette and Dean, how suddenly this daughter who apparently has been singing even though music was not really a part of her, the way it is in other singers lives.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Speaking for myself, I have my son here with me. In fact, he's 20 now. When he was much younger, I'd say maybe when he was 5,6 or 7 years old ? I worked so hard to encourage him to go out and take music classes, to take drumming, guitar, you name it, and he kept saying he didn't want to, but I'm the one who kept pushing him to go do that. I would take him there myself, even as a deaf person, because I wanted to see my child really have a full experience of his world. Because I feel that if I want people to respect me and my deaf world, it's important for me to respect him and the hearing world, so it's a two way street. I've very much believed it was important to encourage any child who's hearing to go out and experience the world. Eventually, my son became a composer for guitar. He absolutely adores guitar, and he's so into that, I've got more pictures of him playing the guitar than I can tell you. So I'm happy that he got to that point, it made me feel so good to see my child have that kind of success. That made me feel really great.   So when I was watching this film, I just kept saying, this is just not how it was in my family. And I don't have my children interpret for me, if I go to the store or anything along those lines. When they were really young, I remember clear as day, that there was some sort of comments where I was like, you just you can't do that to children. You can't make your children someone you have to rely on to interpret for you. Because then you start manipulating them, and (then) they don't have their own lives for themselves. And I did not want that to happen for my kids. So I made a very conscious effort.   And there was a lot of times that I'd be in a store and the store owner would say, “Oh could your little kids just interpret for me?” And I would say no, let's you and I figure this out, we'll use gestures, we'll use written back and forth language, whatever we have to do. I really wanted to have that directly without having to bring my kids into it. On rare occasions, if the kids saw that I missed something, they might interpret something for me. And I would always appreciate it. But I made sure that was as rare as possible, because I wanted them to have their own healthy, independent lives. Lisa Zambetti: You say that your son plays the guitar, (and Dean maybe this is the scene that really got you.) If you've watched your son play guitar, you can't hear but maybe you can feel it, you can feel the vibration on the instrument. But I just love this scene where the parents are watching this concert and they're not really emotionally affected by it because they can't hear it. And they're looking around and being very polite, but I just love the ‘peek’ into that world. I love that they took the sound out of the film at that time and you're seeing what they see, and you're hearing what they're (not hearing) … they're not missing anything, they don't know that they're missing anything. And then later when Troy has his daughter sing, and he's feeling her voice, I mean, Dean, was that one of your tear jerking moments? Because for me, I fell apart.   Dean Laffan: Yeah, that was a beautiful scene. And just one of the things that makes this such great film is that because of the nature of what the story is about, so many scenes are totally unique to me as a [person with hearing. I hate people who say ‘very unique’ and I just said ‘totally unique’, but it is. It's totally unique because I haven't seen a film like this with deaf characters interacting with non-deaf characters, so many things suddenly struck me with a dawning Oh, yeah, oh, that is going to happen. This whole story is on the face of it, clichéd. Its written clichéd. The performances (could be) clichéd, you've got the kind of grumpy old dad, you've got the kind of kooky mom, you've got the eldest child Leo, the older brother of Ruby, who feels he should be the one in charge, but he can't be because .. well not ‘can't be’, but he is pushed aside a little bit, because he's deaf and his sister is not. And you've got the inspirational music teacher …   This is all set up for bullshit. But guess what? it just fucking works. It works its ass off. It's because of the casting and the performances, it's just so special. So yes, that particular scene where he's got his hands on her throat … and I wondered Lisa …(putting your Real Crime Profile hat on). There's a difference between him doing this (Dean indicates on camera with his hands) and a difference between him doing that (indicates again) in terms of acting. Did you notice that? That he used the back of his hands, not the front of his hands around her throat.   Lisa Zambetti: I didn't.   Dean Laffan: So it wasn't a ‘choking’ type of a gesture. He's got both hands against her throat and against her sort of larynx. But he hasn't got his palms closed, like he was choking her. He's using the backs of his fingers. And he's feeling the vibration, it's beautifully tender. As is the moment where she's freaked out about singing face to face to, what's his name… ?   Lisa Zambetti: Miles, his name is Miles.   Dean Laffan: Right, Miles. So they stand back to back. And I'm looking at them touching back to back and I'm thinking that's an oddly very intimate pose. You're touching backs, and you're touching bums. And you can feel each other's breath. It's just wonderful filmmaking. But no, the scene that really … I just fell to pieces over, was during the Joni Mitchell song at her audition for Berklee and she started … here I ago. (Dean’s voice catches) She just started signing. And you can see in her mind she just thinks, “Fuck it. I'm just going to do it. I'm going to let out what I feel. And I'm going to show you, this is who I am.” And I was just like “wow”.   Lisa Zambetti: And include her parents in it. Right?   Dean Laffan: I KNOW! Yes. Exactly.   Lisa Zambetti: She sings to them … for them. Oh, my God.   Dean Laffan: Bravo.   Antoinette Abbamonte: She was born knowing that language before she knew English.   Dean Laffan: Another scenee that just broke me out of nowhere was after she comes back home and she said she wants to go to the music school. And they've just gotten the co-op off the ground. They're saying how can you leave and her parents say, we need you … we need you to translate. Ruby replies, “I've been doing this my whole life and it's exhausting”. And they're putting it (the responsibility) on her. But she just wants to do what she wants to do (follow her heart). And what incredible lines the characters have here and there that are just so moving and so affecting, I was blown away. Antoinette Abbamonte: And I really wanted to see more of the mother daughter relationship. That's what I really was craving more of, because I felt like there was a real missed opportunity there. I so wanted to see the two of them really develop a connection. I missed not having that.   Lisa Zambetti: Well, you know, I rewatched it today. And Dean, I hear what you say about that there are a certain amount of cliché in it, but then I have to push back on that because they really turn those clichés around because the mom isn't really kooky. It's just interesting. She's vain, in some ways. And that's okay. Like a mom can be vain. She's sexy, in a very grounded and natural way. She's still hot for her husband, and she doesn't want to talk to those hearing bitches! …  and who blames her, you know what I mean? You understand she has a world that she has worked fucking hard for. She has got this family, she's got this business, and she loves her daughter, and (Antoinette, I re-watched it just before we came on).   There are some beautiful scenes where the mom says, when you were born, I hoped you were deaf. And when you weren't, I was afraid. I was so afraid. And also, she admits to her husband. It's not that we need her to survive to interpret for us, but she's our baby and she's leaving. That's really what the crux is, that my baby is leaving home. And the easiest way to keep her even if it's just subconsciously, is to say, we need you for the family. And I can just imagine lots and lots of families, working families who probably say the same thing sometimes to their kids who are going to go off to the big city. It’s so scary to think of your baby in the big city. And Ruby even says “I've never done anything without my family”. It's not only that the family's never done anything without her, but she's never done anything without them.   And the music teacher I'd like to talk about him, Eugenio.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Oh, I love that character! I loved him. He’s the best.   Lisa Zambetti: Yeah, as a drama teacher myself and having taught drama in college, teaching is really hard. Talk about exhausting.   Antoinette Abbamonte: I was just going to say “Mr.V” I was trying to remember his name .. “Mr. V”   Lisa Zambetti: Right Mr.V … (Lisa rolls the ‘r’ big time) “Berrrrrrrrrnardo!”  By the way he is a huge freaking star in Mexico.   Dean Laffan: Of all the actors in this film, this guy who I've never seen before, the first time we see him, the camera was on him, he's sitting at the piano. He hasn't even said anything. And already, I'm wondering, “Who the hell is THIS guy?” wow. And then within the first five seconds, as great as this cast is, (and the casting of Emilia is by the way superb) as is the rest of the cast, there's only one false note in the casting, and I'll cover that later … but it's nothing major.   But him (the actor Eugenio Derbez) Once he opened his mouth, it was like the wattage of his performance was amazing. I'm sorry (to the rest of the cast) but whenever he was on screen, he just glows at like twice or three times the luminance of anyone else in the scene. And when I looked him up, yeah, he is like the biggest megastar in Latin America. And because I'm thinking, well, he's coming out of nowhere … no he hasn't Dean, you’re just ignorant and he’s actually a super star.   Lisa Zambetti: Yes, he has that confidence of somebody who's a star in another country.   Dean Laffan: Absolutely.   Lisa Zambetti: And this is the thing about when you're teaching for high school or for college, in the arts, you can give so much to students, and you're trying to set a bar for them, and you're working so hard for them. It's really exhausting. And what I loved about him is that he came in with sass and brass and this uncompromising behavior. He kid of says  “This is the bar and if you can't take it? … then fucking leave.” But he wasn't cruel, this isn't (the movie) ‘Whiplash’, or anything like that. But he's like, look, if you're going to work, I will work too, but if you're not going to work, I'm not going to kill myself to get you there. And that's an important thing. Because in my experience, trying to get actors to where they need to be, it's just so hard, and you're giving everything you can to the student, and you're rooting for them, and you kind of start doing all the work for them. And I just felt like this movie pays a lot of respect to the art of teaching and when Ruby is pissed off at him. And she says, well, what did Berklee College ever do for you? … you know what? Teaching doesn't mean you're a failure at your craft. Teaching is fucking hard, to be a good teacher and get your students to where they need to be. It can break your heart, students can really break your heart.   [Scene from the film ‘CODA’]   FADE IN: INT. WE ARE BACK IN THE HOME OF MR.VILLALOBOS –- AFTERNOON MR V sits at his piano in the same airy music room of his house. Late afternoon sun slants through the large picture windows of his house. He plays a tender piece on the piano, he’s introspective … wistful. Ruby arrives and stands at the door of the room, leaning quietly against the door frame. She’s out of view of Bernardo, he doesn’t know she’s there. She is waiting for the right time to announce her presence. She’s late for practice (again) and she knows Bernardo will be upset.     RUBY Is that yours?      Bernardo stops playing, takes a deep breath, sighs and      gives Ruby a side glance before looking away. RUBY Sorry. I want to do this.      Bernardo folds up his sheet music and walks past Ruby to his desk   BERNARDO                      I don't think so.   Ruby walks to face Bernardo from the opposite side of his desk, both standing RUBY Are you serious?   BERNARDO You have no discipline. You are late. You are unprepared. You wouldn’t last two days at Berklee. Out … Go!   RUBY (Dismissively)  It's not like that school of yours did you any good?   Bernardo sighs and shakes his head with a smile   BERNARDO You have what? … 17 years on this planet? You don't know shit. You want to know why I am a teacher? I'm good at this. But I can't do my job unless you do yours. And I certainly don't need a lesson in failure from someone who's too afraid to even try. END SCENE:     Lisa Zambetti: I loved that respect to that character. What else Antoinette? Do you have anything to jump into?   Antoinette Abbamonte: I know for me, as a deaf actor, (an actor who happens to be deaf is a better way to say it.) People say you have to look at the actor first. But right now, I’m feeling like it's really starting to have an impact out there … of deaf experience and what it is, and that it's okay to be a deaf person. And a lot of people haven't had the opportunity to see a whole lot of deaf people out there. We've historically been shunted to the side. But now we're starting to see some floodgates open up, and you're starting to see more and more deaf people out there. And it takes away a lot of that, wanting to hide behind things. And now we can start looking at the talent. Let's talk about their talent. The fact that they're deaf? We can discuss that later. But right now let's look at their talent. And I see it happening. I think it's going to happen. I would love to have it be (that its about) who I am first, I’m Antoinette and I'm a mom, and I'm a wife or a partner, whatever. I like to be seen that way first and not going. “Hey, look, it's the deaf person”. I have many layers in me. I am multitude, it's now becoming much less than it was.   Lisa Zambetti: So here's what I want to say about casting for a couple of shows where yeah, it's great when a writer will write a part for a deaf character. And that's great because we want to have representation and tell those stories. But Rebecca Silverman and I, on Criminal Minds, we kept wanting to just cast actors who happened to be deaf, no matter even if the role didn't call for it. And I have to say that we would talk to a Line Producer and lets suppose my idea was to have a deaf actor play a medical examiner, because I thought that was just be so cool. With no explanation. It's just why not? I'm sure that there are deaf doctors and deaf medical examiners, and that would be fine. And actually one of the series regulars on Criminal Minds, they have established that he did sign, and I thought there would probably need to be an interpreter. If there's a medical examiner talking to the FBI and telling them his or her findings about a murder victim, there would need to be an interpreter, and (the view from the Line Producers) was that the hiring of the interpreter was like, “Oh that would just be an extra expense. I don't think we can really do that”. It was just easier to say no. But if it was a written as a deaf actor, there was no problem though, that the production would pay for the interpreter or do whatever else that needs to be done, but to actually say “Hey maybe we could have this be a wheelchair-using actor, this seems like a good situation. It’s not they are going to be running across a field chasing after a bad guy. This is like a perfect situation for somebody who's on wheelchair”. But it just seems that if it's not in the script, there's no green light to just bring in the actors. And I know that that is going to change. And hopefully, maybe a movie like CODA will help push it along. And you can see, yeah, someone can be a lobsterman or fisherman and be deaf, but you can be anything and be deaf. But it's hard because you don't want to fight against your producer, you want to do what's best for the show.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Yeah, and both of those characters, just like with both of my parents who were tailors they made clothes … you just do your job, and you can be deaf at the same time if there is no limitations, so I couldn't agree more, we need to have more deaf people represented.   I am producing a film now in fact, called “Implant”. And I'm working with Warren Zide, and the writer, Dwayne Alexander Smith, two of them very big in their field. And they had never worked with a deaf person before. This is their first experience in doing that. So with my company, we have an item in our budget for an interpreter, money already earmarked for me to meet with them. And that way we can talk about the money and investment and everything after that. But I want to make sure there's a line item in there for the interpreter, because that's important for me. And just a couple of weeks ago, I went with the writer, and I brought an interpreter with me. And you saw all these ideas sparking in the room. And you could see that the writer was really ready to put it in there. It was helpful. It was helpful for me to work with the writer in the room right there. It was amazing.   Lisa Zambetti: That is incredible.   Antoinette Abbamonte: That's why I wanted to create my company so I could produce these films that I want to see.   Lisa Zambetti: Yeah, exactly. And if you need a casting director … Hi, I’m available. Dean Laffan: I just want people to understand also that this film is sweet, and touching and uplifting. And as I said, not normally the sort of movie that I would go, wow, I want to see another one of these. But it's just so well done. But can I say, this thing is funny as all get out. It is funny all the time. It's not at the expense of anyone (usually). There was one scene where I just burst out into load uproarious laughter. I was watching early in the morning down in the lounge room, and I think I must have woken people up .. It was the scene where there's the town meeting or if you will the ‘fishermen's meeting’ with the fish buyers who are underpaying the fishermen for their catch, and Ruby’s father Franks has had enough. He uses his chair to stamp on the wooden floor and as he signs something. He tells Ruby to stand up. And I'm thinking oh, she's reticent to get up and translate for him. She's shy. Now, remember she has just come from the session with Bernardo where he gets her to do ugly sounds, and he finally gets to engage, let stuff out and find her voice (literally). And so in public she's been a bit of a shrinking violet up to this point. So when Frank signs she lan tells her to say it, she looks up at the guy, the assholes that were the fish buyers (and these were the characters that I thought were just slightly cartoonish. Yeah they were the ‘bad guys’ and they were very one dimensional, but that's okay. I don't even care because the film is that good. And anyway, they are assholes). So she turns to them  and emphatically says “Suck my dick!” And follows up with “Oh, by the way, that's from him, not me.”  Hilarious.   Lisa Zambetti: One of the other things I really admired about the movie is that although Ruby is bullied and made fun of throughout her high school career and it must really suck. But then there's a moment where her love interest Miles says “You have the perfect life”. And it's just struck me that is so true, that from the outside, everybody's life seems so put together. And he to her, he seems like the perfect guy who's got everything going from him. He’s so popular, everybody likes him, and yet she doesn't realize, that to him, she's got this great family, fishing is such a cool job and he's seen her in town with her parents. You don't know what other people are thinking. I just thought that was such a great observation that we're so stuck in our insecurities.   Antoinette Abbamonte: That is so true. That happened to me in my life. I remember growing up and I went to school which was with all hearing kids. There was sometimes when I was in school with other deaf kids, but most of the time I was with other hearing kids and I would get bullied and mocked and teased, like you wouldn't believe. And it was really tough for me. And now I look at my son, and I see him getting teased (even as) a hearing person. So I'm like, “Oh, teasing just kind of happens and it's okay”. People move on. It's not the end of the world or anything. I learned a lot from looking at my two kids. I'll tell you that.   Dean Laffan: Can I just say, Lisa, that the character of Ruby is so well cast and she plays a great arc within the movie. The actress Emilia Jones. Lisa Zambetti: She's British.   Dean Laffan: Yes, she's British. Yes, exactly.   Lisa Zambetti: And she plays the daughter. Yeah.   Dean Laffan: And she has a certain character, even from the beginning, even though she was shy and unassuming. Nonetheless, for example when the fish buyers were giving her brother Leo too little money for their fish she stood up and pushed back against the prices  . And it's a little old fashioned to use this term But, you know what she's got? She's got ‘moxie’.   Lisa Zambetti: Moxie, yeah!   Dean Laffan: This kid has got Moxie .. I don’t know how you translate that. Sorry, Nicole! But yeah, she's got gumption, she won't take shit from anyone, even though she's very quiet. And then, of course, she progresses throughout to have that characteristic and be strong. But it's there from the get-go anyway, and I just thought that she was a terrific character. And when you pushed back against me for saying that the movie was clichéd. And I was like, yeah, I know. But my point is it then confoundsthe clichés.   So here, you've got the classic story of the rich boy, poor girl. (It's often the other way around) And in the scene where she brings him to the house for the first time. It's a tracking shot and the camera picks them up walking in a long pan all the way top their home. She's apologizing for the house and he's saying no, it's great… it's fine. They did everything except cross a literal set of railroad tracks! He's from the wrong side of the tracks. He's the rich boy who's supposed to have the perfect life. But his parents don’t talk to each other. They don't have sex. And then of course, we get straight into that. Here's the comedy again right? So there's the scene with Frank and Jackie, the deaf parents having sex so loudly, they don't know that the kids can hear them. And then cut; Mom and Dad are sitting on the couch, like Oh my God, we got busted having sex. And she's telling them off, saying you can't do this. And it's like an inversion of the trope. She's the mom and that's the teenage kids that were having sex. That was hilarious! So then Frank does the whole scene about the condom thing. And she's just totally embarrassed and storms out of the house with Miles. And then they cut back to the parents on the couch. And they just burst out laughing.  We understand then tha he did it (The embarrassing condom miming scene) to get rid of her. It's just so well written.   Lisa Zambetti: That was so great. Yeah, Antoinette I loved that peek into the life of a family who is deaf, like the flicking on and off the light to wake somebody up, or just all the little nuances of what it is. If you're the hearing person in the family, and everybody's always making noise and banging pots and pans … It was just great to see a peek into what that's like.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. It was very authentic.   Lisa Zambetti: I don't know if you're aware of this, but this movie was based actually on a French film called “La Famille Bélier”.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Yes, I had just learned that. And I haven't seen that original French film personally. So I can't really talk about how it compares. I was just going to ask if either of you seen that film?   Lisa Zambetti: I haven't. But I do know that Lionsgate bought the rights to redo the film. And there's a lot of controversy with that film because they did not use deaf actors. Now, that could never happen on network television, or any production company I've ever worked with. Because if it's supposed to be a deaf actor in this day and age, you cannot cast a hearing actor. My studio would never ever allow that to happen. If you couldn't find an actor to do the role, then you'd have to change the role instead of putting a hearing person in there. But anyway, in the La Famille Bélier they had some hearing actors doing the role. So there's a lot of controversy and so when they went to make this version of it, there was some push to have fancier non-hearing actors play the role of the father and the brother and good for Marlee Matlin who said; “No, if you do this, I'm walking. I will leave this film”. She's going to be the marquee, she's going to be what gets this greenlit, what gets it pushed forward. So good for her for fighting and also good for her for not making this a vanity production for herself. She doesn't try to shine herself brighter than anybody she's in the film with. Another actress might have tried to make the narrative more about her. She was just very generous.   Dean Laffan: Oh, yeah. Lisa Zambetti: She was just very generous in the scenes she’s in with other people, and letting other people shine, letting Troy get all the big teary moments. I thought that was just fantastic of her to do that.   Antoinette Abbamonte: We really should absolutely all support each other and for her in the deaf community and all of us. Yeah, we all have to be out there and supporting each other because once we start infighting, then we'll never really get anywhere. We have to really let go and just support everyone else for the betterment of all, for the success of all, so more actors can follow behind us. It is so critical.   Dean Laffan: I was thinking when we're talking before about children and deaf children and CODA, how we teach kids, (primary school kids even high school kids) we teach them French, we teach them Italian, would it really kill us to teach them some signing ? perhaps not learn the entire ASL but at least if you could learn to say the basics. Because I just realized I meant to look up how to say “thank you and goodbye” to Antoinette and I didn't have time. And I don't know, I think it's something like this. (Dean gestures) But I don't want to say anything rude … we know that happened in the film! So especially for primary school kids to teach them to sign. Hello. Goodbye. Thank you. Just basic conversational stuff. I mean, you can travel through Europ, if you know about 20 words, surely we can all learn 20 words of ASL or whatever language is in your country. If someone's deaf, we wouldn’t have to, write something down. If we could sign ‘Hello’ ‘How are you?’ ‘I'm sorry’. I just realized that should be a thing. It shouldn't even be a thing. It should just be done. But it's not. Antoinette Abbamonte: Yeah, absolutely. I think that's absolutely fantastic. Yeah, to have that exposure to different languages and not just ASL but spoken languages. It just the more you find out there, for both of my boys, they learned a lot. They learned some Spanish, they learned some French, (spoken of course). And they already had American Sign Language (ASL) from their home environment, but it just helps them to interact with other people. And it just is so much easier to develop a relationship and rapport with other people. I think that's critical for children to learn as many languages as possible, and really become comfortable with them.   Lisa Zambetti: I remember seeing a production of Children of a Lesser God, the play, which of course, is probably one of the most famous plays and movies about the deaf community.   Antoinette Abbamonte: (Cuts in) I have to say it! … I don’t like that play.   Lisa Zambetti: I know. I know …   Antoinette Abbamonte: Yeah … the ‘deaf angry woman’.   Lisa Zambetti: I know … I know. It's a product of its time, it was actually written specifically for the deaf actress Phyllis Frelich and it has a whole history of its own. But anyway, I was watching the play and I could see backstage that the stagehands had learned ASL, because it's so much easier to communicate backstage and actually on set even, because you have to be quiet, and so they could communicate soundlessly across backstage by using ASL. So it's such a rich language for us to learn anyway. And certainly for actors. It's such a great physical experience in gesture and expression communication, I'm obsessed with that anyway.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Actors should learn ASL because it gives them movement to their body. I can't tell you how many times I've gone to see a play, like Shakespeare. And there are a lot of hearing actors that just stand there and the only thing that moves is their mouth. And they don't do anything else with their body. I’m like “Give us some movement here!” So I think that had these people had a chance to take ASL classes, they would learn how to be more comfortable in their body and move it. I think absolutely every actor out there, bar none should learn it.   Lisa Zambetti: Absolutely. Absolutely.   Dean Laffan: I just realized that what you were saying Lisa, about the stage hands learning ASL, that reminded me … I have a background in cave diving and of course, you can't speak underwater. And particularly you can't speak in the dark. Cave diving is a fairly specific activity. So we only use a limited vocabulary things like, (Dean open and closes the fingers of one hand) I’m flashing my hands to make our sign for ‘light’ This sign (indicates) for ‘Okay’, A question mark is a crooked finger, to indicate a line tangle you you do this with your hands(Cosses middle finger over pointer and draws a figure 8 in the air), on YouTube you'll see I'm just making a knot sign with my fingers. We use one hand to count to 10 with 1 to 5 being with upright fingers then numbers 6 – 10 are represented by the same fingers but now pointing sideways.  Human beings have been doing this for a while. We just need to do more of it.   Lisa Zambetti: Well, I'm so happy to have had you here today Antoinette. It's so good to see you after so many years and to see you doing so well and to be able to share my absolute ‘gushiness’ about this movie. And also I just want to start this campaign, I am banging the drum … an Oscar for Troy. I mean he 100% deserves an Oscar for this performance. I want to hashtag it everywhere and for all of his performances. By the way, I've seen him in a production of Deaf West’s ‘Big River’, just before the pandemic. I was at this very random, private reading, where he and Deanne, (he's married to the beautiful actress who also happens to be deaf, Deanne Bray) and they were in this reading together. And I went up to him and I meant to say, ‘Thank you’, but I think I did something else. And he looked at me like; “What the fuck is she saying to me?” I think I went like this (indicates). I don't know what that means, but I meant to say ‘thank you’. What does this mean .. Please? Does this mean please or love? (indicates).   Antoinette Abbamonte: It can mean please. Yeah.   Lisa Zambetti: No wonder he was confused. I was saying “please, can you please.”   Antoinette Abbamonte: It could also mean “thank you”   Lisa Zambetti: Okay. Anyway, I've been a fan of his for decades. And it's about time that other people know of his brilliance. And everybody else in the cast was awesome, too. But he really is the touchstone in it. There's just nobody like him. And I just can't imagine another performance reaching, doing, what he did.   Antoinette Abbamonte: Yes, I couldn't agree more. We need more deaf males out there doing that for younger deaf boys to look up to and younger deaf men to look up to, because we really haven't had that representation. He's the one we have right now. Marlee Matlin, we have for younger women to look up to. But I'd love to see more diversity. I think that would be awesome for children and people like him, to look up to. And I love your idea about the Oscars push.   Lisa Zambetti: Absolutely. And I wanted to recommend some other places where you can see amazing actors who are deaf. There's a series called “The Society” which is amazing. Of course, there's a “Sound of Metal”, there's “The Quiet Place”, “One and Two”, are there any others and “Switched at Birth”. I know a lot of those actors who are in that show. Antoinette any other movies or anything you want to recommend?   Antoinette Abbamonte: Well, my film that is out now. It's called “Since August”. I’m playing a lead character in that along with a hearing actor from Russia. And it's in film festivals, right now the Shanghai International Film Festival has it nominated. The whole movie is an ASL, there is almost no spoken language. It's also now being streamed in New York at the Winter Awards Film Festival. They selected us to be screened, I think that's going to be happening soon. So I hope you both have an opportunity to see that. It's an excellent story.   Lisa Zambetti: Oh, I would love it. Actually I tried to see CODA at Sundance, but I couldn't get a ticket. But I would love to see “Since August” and encourage our listeners to go see it as well.   Antoinette Abbamonte: I loved to work with the hearing actress Sabina from Russia, I will send you the information so you can see it.   Lisa Zambetti: Awesome. Awesome. All right. Anything else Dean, you want to say before we say goodbye?   Dean Laffan: No, I think I'm old gushed out, that’s way more emotion than I'm used to sharing. But it was such a beautiful film. I'm going to recommend it. I'm just going to post it everywhere. Everyone should see this film. It is just a beautiful film.   Lisa Zambetti: And I also want to thank Nicole Pancino, who's here. She's been interpreting for Antoinette. I know it is really exhausting for Nicole to be doing this. So I want to thank her very much.   Dean Laffan: Well done Nicole because you've now been going for an hour solid plus the show preamble. And I know from my other world, where I'm a live event Producer. When we have people signing on-stage for our love events, they rotate out at 15 minute intervals. So you've done a huge job today. So thank you so much.   Nicole Pancino: You're welcome.   Lisa Zambetti: All right. Thank you so much. Take good care, everybody. And for now this is Killer Casting signing off.   Podcast Credits: Killer Casting was created and produced by Lisa Zambetti. Sound Editing by Dean Laffan from Real World Productions. Logo art by April Laffan. Theme Music provided by Amphibious Zoo music. And big fat opinions provided by Brian Alan Hill.      
49:24 08/27/2021
047 Cheers - Binging with your kids
Lisa can’t be the only parent who loves binging through old (or semi old) comedies with their kids, now that you can stream almost anything, anytime, anywhere. It is always interesting to go back and see if the comedy holds up, or alternatively what is so cringy you have to shut your eyes, ears and hold your nose….as well as tell your kids “now that thing they said, or did, was WRONG. It was wrong then and it is still wrong now”. It can lead to some good conversations. Anyway, after running through Seinfeld, Friends, Scrubs, The Office, Parks and Rec, Modern Family, Big Bang Theory, Odd Couple, Lisa and the boys reached back to fire up Cheers. There are tons of great casting stories and lore that go along with this era defining show, including who was “almost” cast as “Sam” and “Diane”. Hint: we narrowly missed having Cliff Huxtable own a bar. So join Lisa and Paul as they pour a cold one in honor of place where everybody knows your name.
34:13 08/04/2021
046: Contemplating Cosby
In this episode, we dive into the controversial release of the man previously known as 'America's Dad' ... who is now known as a predatory, sociopathic rapist. Yes, that would be Bill Cosby, the man who abused his public persona as one of the most trustworthy and beloved actor/comedians to drug and rape dozens of unsuspecting women. Mostly our pods are fun, but sometimes we need to shine a light on the cockroaches that lurk in the dark. This is one of those episodes. Your regular pod pilots Lisa, Brian and Dean are firmly in command  and excited to be joined by Hollywood royalty in the form of the ridiculously talented Actor/Director Aisha Tyler from Archer, Bojack Horseman, Criminal Minds and Friends. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0878768/ Sitting alongside Aisha in the interwebs studio, we are also humbled to have Jarvis George, he of the TV series Dave, Consequences, Criminal Minds, Desperate Housewives and a bunch of BRAND NEW stuff, that you'll just have to listen to the pod to learn about. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0313462/ Aisha also has her own wildly successful boutique liquor business ... and YOU can order online right here ! https://www.courageandstone.com I'm sorry .. what ?  You don't believe us ?  Well see here for yourself you doubting Thomas you ...  (sheesh) https://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2020/08/aisha-tyler-courage-stone/  Annnnnd this I sKC-Heavy turning 270 zero for home. Blue skies and tailwinds everyone.
52:48 07/29/2021