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Join Derrick Cobb and Drew Paroz on a journey to become better leaders by traveling through fantastic worlds and inspiring lore. We connect leadership concepts to story contexts because it sticks to our brains better.


The Force Awakens Pt. 1: Why Do We Run Away but Hide the Map So Others Can Find Us?
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26:33 09/25/2022
Beauty and the Beast Pt. 2: Expanding our Influence by giving Up Control
Whether we find ourselves just starting out in a new role, as new parents, or on another journey, the scope of the world that we understand is never enough for our liking.  Like Belle reading her books, we are always dreaming of understanding the world better and making an impact on it.  But what if we aren't just like Belle, we are also like Beast and Gaston?Beast comes from influence and control, but he's trapped in a small world, searching for a way to break out through his own abilities.  Through Belle's magnanimous character, she teaches Beast that the way to break out of a small world isn't just ravenously consuming information, but by doing something unexpected, by shocking the system.  What techniques can we use so that we, like Belle, might set off a chain reaction of transformation in the world around us?
32:50 09/18/2022
Beauty and the Beast Pt. 1: Preparing to Lead in a Big World When Your Current World is Small
One of the reasons we love Beauty and the Beast is because we can relate to Belle.  We all want to be a part of something bigger than "this provincial life".  Like most of us, Belle yearns for an adventure that makes her life meaningful.  While Belle wouldn't call herself a leader when we find her early in the story, she practices magnanimous character within the small world she lives in.  By curating her character when the stakes are small, she is able to pass the test and break the curse when the stakes scale up, unlocking life to the full for those she leads and cares for. How might we be fully satisfied when our influence is smaller than we would like, patiently waiting for our chance to leave a legacy?
30:48 09/11/2022
Fast Five Pt. 2: How to Build a Team That's Ride or Die
Salute mi Familia - the most recognizable line in the Fast and Furious franchise.  We all want to be part of the familia that Dom Toretto is building when we watch these movies, but how do we create those types of teams and moments in real life?Despite his calloused exterior and checkered past, Dom Toretto is one of the most magnanimous leaders we've seen on WonderTour, a true Gandalf-type.  Dom's leadership superpower that boosts his teams to greater heights is his emotional integration.  Dom isn't afraid to show his own emotions and he's always studying the hearts of his team members to make sure they are ready for the challenges they're about to face.  Dom leads with mercy over sacrifice, enfranchising even his antagonists, like Hobbs, through his empathy and compassion. 
26:51 09/04/2022
Fast Five Pt. 1: Overcoming Unbeatable Odds By Flipping the Map Upside-down
Just like in Fast Five when Dom, Brian, and the team are trapped in Rio and on the run from both Hobbs and Reyes, it can sometimes feel like our lives are out of our control.  Someone else makes the map and we just have to stay within their lines.  But as magnanimous leaders, we believe that the current map of reality isn't all there is to the story.  When our known maps seem incompatible with our objectives, it's time to flip the map upside-down.  Flipping the Map allows us to 1) gain information about the other parties in the story and 2) re-write the map for all the players in the game.  The Fast Five team shows in a number of examples, like when they burn Reyes' money rather than stealing it, that flipping the map provides the disadvantaged team a chance to overcome unbeatable odds.
27:53 08/28/2022
Avatar Pt. 2: How and When to Reset Our Maps
When we enter a new ecosystem, like Pandora, with new rules, players, functions, etc. It can be a rude awakening that our maps of reality are utterly insufficient to navigate this new terrain.  Un-writing maps of reality can be a painful and energy-intensive process, just ask Jake or Trudy.  Both come to Pandora with a hunan-centric view of the universe and struggle to accept what they see and what the Na'vi are trying to tell them about the world around them, because their maps are already too fixed, their cups are already full. Over the course of our leadership journeys we must get from a mindset of "look what I can teach you" to "I see you".  How might we learn from Jake, Trudy, and the Na'vi how to re-align our mental maps to reality so that we can love other well?
34:06 08/21/2022
Avatar Pt. 1: What to Do When the Map in Your Head Doesn't Align with Reality
When Jake Sully reaches Pandora in Avatar, he comes pre-loafed with a series of mental maps that he uses to navigate reality: his maps of reality.  Jake's maps include all kinds of useful tools that he's learned on earth from how to navigate the world without the use of his legs to how to respond to combat situations.  We all have our own maps of reality that we use to navigate and become reliant on, but we're all flawed, so what happens when those models prove ineffective in a new situation?  When Jake is failing to adapt his earthly maps of reality to Pandora, Neytiri tells Jake, "It's hard to fill a cup that's already full".  Doesn't it fill like each of our cups gets too full to take on new information sometimes?  Too full to have empathy for someone who sees the world from a different perspective?  As leaders, we want to ensure our mental maps correspond to reality as much as possible, so how might we learn from Jake how to un-write and re-write those maps for the good of others?
29:19 08/14/2022
Indiana Jones Pt. 2: How to Integrate Conflicting Skillsets
Like Indiana Jones at the end of The Last Crusade, we all want to be the type of hero that can pass the trials when they inevitably come and save the day.  But Indy can't pass those tests without his father Henry's wisdom and we as magnanimous leaders we know that it's not about us, it's about others.  So how might we equip our team to pass the trials when it's hard to know when the trials will come or what trials we might face?  To navigate that sort of uncertainty and challenge requires both generalist and specialist skill sets working in unison.  To get to the Holy Grail we need to be able to integrate generalist skills like Indy's ability to adapt to change or fight his way out of a crowded room with specialist skills like Henry's knowledge of ancient civilizations and texts.  Only then can the team pass the trials and accomplish the mission, becoming a bit more magnanimous along the way.
24:56 08/07/2022
Indiana Jones Pt. 1: What to Do When You Only Have Half a Map
It's time to begin a new series on WonderTour.  This time we are talking about Map-making and what better place to start than Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Navigating a complicated world takes all kinds of skills but one of the most under-rated is Map-making.  While few maps are 100% accurate, many are useful.  There are a plethora of different types of maps that we can make and use depending on the type of situation we find ourselves in, but one thing is clear, without a map it's hard to progress the story.  In The Last Crusade, Indy only has literally half of a map and has to navigate to the fabled Holy Grail and doesn't this feel like the type of uncertainty we experience every single day.  Join us as we follow Indy and his father on an adventure and learn how we too can navigate without half a map. (Brian Nutwell steps in to fill Derrick's seat today)
25:18 07/31/2022
Stranger Things Pt. 2: How to Have Compassion On Those Above and Below You
It's hard enough to have Compassion on our peers, but how do we have Compassion on those above us and below us in the organization chart? All too often we hear blaming and conjecturing but rarely, for example, does an executive take action and have Compassion on the grassroots or does a citizen have compassion on their public servants.  To put it in Stranger Things terms, it takes a lot of energy to create a gate between the layers of an organization and most often, people aren't willing to put that much energy in.  By looking at how in Stranger Things S1E5 the children work together with their teacher, Mr. Clarke, we can start to see how we, as magnanimous leaders, can become the flea to the acrobat, able to collaborate between the layers and create gates so that others can traverse the dimensions of the organization as well.
27:59 07/24/2022
Stranger Things Pt. 1: How to Have Compassion on Someone We Don't Agree With
We would all probably say that we want to be compassionate people.  But what do you do when you don't agree with the person you are trying to have compassion on? In Stranger Things S1E5, the Flea and the Acrobat, the children learn a lesson in compassion as they search for the Hawkins Lab.  El manipulates the compass to try to keep them safe but Lucas uncovers her secret and and calls her out causing a fight.  Having compassion on each other breaks through the personal conflicts and allows the team to eventually save Will and accomplish their mission. W/ Brian Nutwell
30:57 07/17/2022
Obi-Wan Pt. 2: How to Make the Small Pains of Life Meaningful
Energy management is one of the most challenging parts of being a functioning member of the world, much less a magnanimous leader.  When the weight of the world feels too heavy to bear it can seem like the only reasonable option is to, like Obi-Wan, close ourselves off from those who need us most.  Our energy stores get diminished and the return-on-investment of compassion makes it hard to justify.  That's where the upside-down magic of compassion flips the script on energy drain.  By giving up our time and energy to those who can offer us nothing in return we make way for growth in others and in ourselves.  
29:20 07/12/2022
Obi-Wan Pt. 1: When is Compassion a Liability?
While our world might not seem as dark as a galaxy under the veil of the evil empire, like Obi-Wan Kenobi closing himself off from the force it can sometimes feel like the smart decisions is just to stay quiet and conserve energy instead of putting ourselves out there for the good of others.  While we may be sure of our mission to become better leaders for the good of others, protecting the long term good of those we care about can seem at odds with loving them in the short term.  How might we navigate the intersection between compassion and wisdom when the lines get blurry and hard to parse?
28:48 07/03/2022
Thor Ragnarok Pt. 2: How to be the Leader the People Need (Instead of the Leader You Want)
In the MCU oftentimes what we remember most about our favorite heroes is their overcoming moment or how they vanquished the bad guy in the final fight.  Yet, in our daily lives we rarely come across events of that magnitude. So how can we still be leaders like Thor in our daily struggles?Thor Ragnarok turns the superhero genre on its head, providing a character-driven buddy cop story where the heroes learn more from getting beat up than they do from winning.  Odin's advice that Thor is the "god of thunder" not the "god of hammers" can only be realized once Hela crushes Thor's hammer and leaves him in a vulnerable state.  Thor must become less so that he may finally learn that being a leader is about having compassion for his people, not defending his image.w/ Brian Nutwell
28:54 06/27/2022
Thor Ragnarok Pt. 1: How to Find the Balance Between Compassion and Wisdom
Choosing to act compassionately can feel like it drains our energy levels.  On top of that the world is full of people in need and our time and resources our finite so how could we be compassionate to everyone all the time?  Like many of us, Thor has some complicated relationships to work through, namely his brother Loki.  Thor's love for his brother is clear but sometimes his actions feel like they're enabling Loki.  How might we, like Thor, find the balance of compassion and wisdom that empower those we care about to become the best they can be. 
24:32 06/20/2022
Wisdom, Money, and Stories Pt. 2: Is There a Limit to How Fast We Can Develop Character?
With humans like with money it just seems like it can't grow fast enough.  We want our investments to compound sooner.  We want the hard work we are putting into our character to yield visible results.  We want to help others flourish.  But is there a ceiling on how fast money can grow?  In order for humans to develop sustainably, should we temper our expectations?  How can we apply what we know about leading humans to handling our finances?  Find out on this week's episode as Derrick and Drew join financial advisor Adam Koos. 
34:35 06/13/2022
Wisdom, Money, and Stories Pt. 1
In our first Bonus episode, Derrick and Drew go on The Cash Podcast with host Adam Koos.  If you resonate with WonderTour but are wondering how we go about applying what we learn from these stories in different contexts, look no further.  Part 1 focuses on The Office, looking to Michael Scott and Dwight Schrute to help us identify our biases.
54:26 06/05/2022
The Batman Pt. 2: How to Inspire Hope When All Seems Lost
As humans, it seems like hope is a currency that we are always short on.  As leaders we seek to inspire hope in those around us, but without a formula to execute, it's certainly daunting.  Hope just isn't always logical.  Enter compassion, an illogical maneuver that completely forgets what someone can do for us, inverting the focus from who we are in the story to who they are.  This week we learn from The Batman embodies this shift as he goes from portraying vengeance with his fists to inspiring hope by cleaning up rubble.w/ Brian Nutwell
28:17 05/29/2022
The Batman Pt. 1: Why Subverting Expectations Changes Everything
Normally it's considered a negative to subvert expectations.  When it comes to compassion, if we wish to see lives transformed then we must look for opportunities to unexpectedly turn the narrative upside down.  Changing a city or a culture is challenging work and it's often complicated.  Like the Batman, how might we learn to have Compassion in the face of overwhelming pain rather than crusade for our own narrative of vengeance? Working definition: Compassion is about being there in the moment, seeing the world from someone else's viewpoint, and envisioning the future not getting caught up in the past.w/ Brian Nutwell
29:12 05/23/2022
Parks and Recreation: Why Compassion is Essential
As we begin episode 1 of a series on compassion, we return to the TV show Parks and Recreation (S2E19) to check out everyone's favorite lovable goofball Jerry.  It's so easy to find ourselves laughing at the Jerrys in life but how often do we actually sit down next to someone who's down on their luck or looked down on by society?  What kind of impact can we have on the world when we do? By learning from Leslie we too can discover why being a magnanimous leader requires compassion.Special Guest: Bebe
24:51 05/16/2022
Top 10 Moments of Wonder: How to Become Magnanimous
Why can't we be like the magnanimous leaders from our favorite movies, extending ourselves for the good of others? Over the first 50 episodes of WonderTour we've journeyed through dozens of fantastic stories, developing our understanding of growth mindset, strategy, tactics, curiosity, and integrity.  Join Derrick and Drew as we recap our Top 10 Moments of Wonder, weaving them together into a model for magnanimous character development.If you're new to WonderTour this is a great place to start!
75:59 05/08/2022
Parks and Rec: Integrity is Worth the Cost
One of the main reasons we might examine ourselves and find we don't measure up to the integrity of the ideal leader is because integrity seemingly must come at a cost.  If integrity is about playing the long game, then we might have to give some immediate benefits up in the short term. In the Parks and Recreation season 2 episode "Hunting Trip" Leslie, Tom, and Ron experience both the power of integrity and the cost to uphold it.  Through Leslie's dedication to the people she loves, she is able to overcome Tom's lack of integrity and, in doing so, change Tom for the better.Special guest: Bebe
27:26 05/01/2022
The Prestige Pt. 2: Why Integrity is Worth Founding Your Life On
Integrity is a foundational building block for a leader.  A cornerstone that all other character traits are built upon. Much like a magnanimous leader, the film The Prestige is also built on undeniable integrity. Join Derrick and Drew as we go on a journey to discover how director Christopher Nolan magically weaves an unforgettable tale using the power of integrity. 
36:20 04/25/2022
The Prestige Pt. 1: How to Prevent Character Deterioration
Continuing our series on integrity we examine the lives of two rival magicians Alfred Borden and Robert Angier as they each seek to become the world's greatest.  Over the course of their life-long pursuits their lack of integrity slowly rips their worlds apart leaving them with hollow endings.  We empathize with their painful plight, but how can we avoid the same fate that many like Borden and Angier fall into on our journey to become magnanimous leaders?
36:38 04/17/2022
Boba Fett: How to Transform Without Losing Who You Are
In life we often feel the stress of conforming to established structures like organization charts and governments.  While these things are great for sustaining order they generally struggle to bring transformation to life and society. That's where the network comes in.  Din wows us with his constant relationship building and unexpected connections.  How might we learn to be more magnanimous leaders by fusing the lessons passed down to us through our genes and our lives with the influence of our networks?
28:54 04/10/2022
Don't Look Up Pt. 2: How to Share Unpopular Truth
Like Dr. Mindy and Kate, it sometimes feels like we are swimming upstream to deliver a message of critical importance.  "We need to transform our business model!"  "You need to reform your habits".  Our situations may not be an existential threat to humanity but they are existential for you or for your friends or family.  Like Kate going on The Daily Rip, it can be anxiety-inducing to try to share the truth about reality to a world that would rather numb the pain. Through the ups and downs we can learn from Kate and Mindy how to effectively share our stories and how to have peace in the tumult. 
15:06 04/03/2022
Don't Look Up Pt. 1: How to Stay Intact in the Face of Existential Threat
It's so easy to compartmentalize ourselves into a work self vs a personal self.  Psychology shows that if we aren't careful we can end up flipping a switch in our brains, putting up a different persona depending on the situation.  In Don't Look Up, Dr. Mindy models integrity initially but then creates a fake self as he gains prominence and popularity.  By finding the right "zoom level" for each situation and bringing it into focus, we can form a consistent model for our lives and avert compromise. 
21:49 03/27/2022
Dune Pt. 2: Character is Destiny
In today's world, it almost seems impossible to maintain integrity in all we do.  To consistently take the long view, making decisions that prioritize the good of others, is seemingly a lost art.  But if the ancient words of Heraclitus ring true and our character determines our destiny then integrity must be the unbreakable bonds that hold our character model intact over the course of our lives.  By following the character arcs of Paul and Yueh we can see how our integrity either gives way to magnanimous character or leads to death. 
30:16 03/20/2022
Dune Pt. 1: How to Achieve Team Goals By Acting With Integrity
This week's Tour brings a new guest, but a veteran of living out the Wonder Tour, Brian.  As leaders it can be a struggle to get everyone rowing in the same direction.  We all have a vision to cast, a story to tell of how the team gets there, but how do we get people so bought into that narrative that they will push the story forward even when we aren't around?  By looking to Duke Leto's guidance we can see how his superpower of integrity allows the team to keep pressing forwards despite the obstacles.  
24:23 03/13/2022
Encanto Pt. 2: How to Lead with Integrity When the Magic Seems to be Fading
Integrity has the power to hold everything together in our lives but it also has a power to set us free.  Mirabel's superpower of integrity fixes the cracks in her family, lovingly shining light on the inconsistencies and offering an opportunity for transformation. When the magic is fading and we have to fall back on our foundation, it's simple integrity that can rebuild the bonds.
25:27 03/06/2022