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PHP Town Hall

PHP Town Hall is a podcast from Ben Edmunds and Matt Trask that raises questions about current events (or upcoming things) in the PHP community, with different guests each episode.


Here lies dynamic properties. They were good properties Brent.
Matt and Ben are joined by Colin O'Dell, staff engineer at Wayfair and supporter of the twitter dividing Dynamic Properties RFC to discuss what this RFC really means for PHP going forward and if its really a good idea. They also talk to Colin about what its like to change jobs after a long tenure (13 years) at his previous job, what he likes and doesn't like about using a Mac for a daily work computer and also managing one of the biggest OSS libraries for PHP: CommonMark.Show Notes:Deprecate Dynamic Properties RFCColin on TwitterColin's blogReference to the good dogs big
37:37 12/14/21
Episode 83: A catch up and a car crash
Ben and Matt catch up since its been a minute since it's just the two of them have talked. They talk all kinds of things about life, conferences, getting hit by a car and how to best impersonate Chuck Norris style rolls.
72:48 10/27/21
Episode 82: Another UUID bites the dust.
Ben and Matt are joined by Ben Ramsey to talk about what it like being in charge of PHP 8.1, his new gig at Skillshare and we ponder the question: do all good uuids go to heaven? Links: Ben Ramsey on Twitter Ben’s UUID Library PHP Release Process Ben’s PHP Library starter kit Rand’s Leadership Slack
72:01 8/1/21
Episode 81: The Book of Psalm
Matt and Ben are joined by PsalmPHP author and maintainer Matthew Brown to talk about static analysis, open source maintanence, how he and Ondrej Mirtes made a nice contribution to the PHP Coore and how to get Matthew out to more conferences so people can buy him the beers he so rightfully deserves. Show Notes: Psalm Matthew on Twitter
53:43 6/9/21
Episode 80: Belles Of The Ball
Matt and Ben are joined by the founder of Larabelles community Zuzana Kunckova to talk about why communities are so crucial to developer growth, what it takes to start a comnmunity and why Zuzana started Larabelles. We then dive into how she got her start as a developer, where her career has taken her and what is gonna happen with conferences after this whole covid thing is over. Show Notes: LarabellesPHP Zuzana on Twitter
47:03 3/21/21
Episode 79: Fell In Love With A Tree: The Phil Sturgeon Story
Ben and Matt sit down to talk to Phil Sturgeon… yes that Phil Sturgeon for their once every 2 year check in with the former host of this very podcast. They talk about what it’s like to bikepack across Europe during working hours, how Phil knew what issues needed to be addressed immediately and which he could push off to later and then they talk about his current project which involves APIs and trees. Links: - Trees foundation Phil is involved with - Phil’s place on the internet - Phil and Matt’s other project
61:15 3/9/21
Episode 78: Into The Woodchipper
Matt and Ben are joined by Chris Fidao (who watched with horror as Matt butchered his last name). The conversation takes a deep dive into how Chris and Dave Hemphill built ChipperCI include the why, the how and what were some of the fun challenges to building a CI service. We talked briefly about how Chris found good use cases for Golang, but Chris still loves PHP. Links: - Chris Fidao on Twitter - David Hemphill on Twitter
53:38 11/11/20
Episode 77: Lets be Frank
Matt and Ben are joined by the League of Extraordinary Packages chief benevolent dictator for life Frank De Jonge (@frankdejonge. Its pronounced “de-yong”, not like how Matt pronounced it. He is sorry). We talk about Frank’s contributions to the League, and how it makes him feel to have a package download count in the 8 digits. Frank also talks about his work on Eventsauce ( an event driven framework that integrates well into most PHP projects.
49:47 9/2/20
Episode 76: Mad Max DevRel
The Twilio crew, bored because they can’t go to conferences to show people the cool shit you can build with their APIs, take over the podcast to talk about life as a grounded devrel. Matt is joined by Margaret Staples (@dead_lugosi), Gary Hockin (@geeh) and back to back guest Marcus Battle (@themarcusbattle). We discuss the Twilio Quest project and how Twilio is leveraging new ways for their dev rels to get their brand out there. We also talk about what we miss most about not being able to go to conferences and drink with friends. It got a little dark there. Sorry. Enjoy!
48:37 7/22/20
Episode 75: Battle of the Frameworks
Matt and Ben are joined by Marcus Battle to talk about his career path from being a data nerd at WebDev Studios to being a content creator and curator at Twilio. We talk about how much work is involved being a total grammar junky, and does Marcus get early access to things like the supposed Twilio Pigeon API. We also talk about the coveted Twilio swag from back in the days where we were allowed to go to conferences. Then we nerd out about music for a minute. Show Notes: Twilio PHP SDK
61:34 6/30/20
Episode 74: Composer Self Update
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Jordi Bggiano and Nils Adermann to celebrate Composer finally figuring out how to self invoke its own composer self-upgrade command. We discuss the origins of the project, how they deal with the fame they have found, how they run their business and OSS project and how people who like the project can help give back! Show Notes: Packagist/Composer Blog
44:02 4/29/20
Episode 73: The League of Extraordinary FIG
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Woody Gilk. We talk about what its like to birth a framework, and then mercilessly kill it. We also talk about how Woody got involved with the League of Extraordinary Packages and how someone can get involved with the PHP FIG.
44:48 3/3/20
Episode 72: 200 OK Boomer
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds sit down for a general catch up episode discussing what’s new with them in the past year or so. Jobs, moves, relationships, and Matt’s developing delusion that he actually enjoys impossible burgers.
56:17 2/2/20
Episode 71: Forging Happy Developers
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by James Brooks to discuss what it’s like working for Laravel, his new podcast HappyDev, and mental health for software developers. Links Laravel Forge HappyDev
37:26 1/14/20
Episode 70: Dries-int up your controllers
Matt Trask is joined by Dries Vints to talk about being employed by Laravel, organizing a conference, why the Last Jedi is absolute garbage, and how Dries manages to do so much (spoiler: don’t have a significant other). Links Laravel FullStackEu Eventy Dries’ Blog
44:44 11/21/19
Episode 68: Behind the Facade
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Taylor Otwell to discuss what’s new with Laravel, the business side of things, and what it’s like organizing a huge conference. Links Laravel Forge Vapor Ignition
64:51 9/5/19
Episode 67: Zend Framework 3.Laminas
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Adam Culp to discuss the recent changes with Zend (the company), Zend (the framework), and the transition from Zend Framework to Laminas Framework. Links Laminas Nexmo Releated Stuff Beachcasts Video on Hypermedia Video on automating Hypermedia
55:40 7/8/19
Episode 66: Getting Jitty Wit It
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Joe Watkins to discuss what’s new with PHP 7.4 and PHP 8.0.
45:30 5/15/19
Episode 65: Live from Longhorn PHP 2019
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by a panel of speakers from Longhorn PHP to discuss the conference, PHP internals, and questions from the attendees. Our amazing panel guests this episode are: Alena Holligan Sammy K Powers Taylor Barnett Margaret Staples Chris Holland Kat Zień
60:43 5/3/19
Episode 64: Symfony Round Up
Matt Trask and Amanda Folson are joined by Ryan Weaver to take a look at the landscape of the Symfony Ecosystem. They discuss a few new packages from the Symfony team such as Mailer, HTTP Interface, API Platform as well as discussing the EU’s funding of a 48 hour hackathon that Ryan woke up at 3am in the morning for. Links Symfony
56:49 4/8/19
Episode 63: Dollar Bills Yall - Part 2
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Jason McCreary to discuss further discuss investing and trading. This episode gets a bit more in the weeds on investing and trading for those interested, discussing everything from 401k to index funds to speculation. We also briefly cover Financial Independence / Retire Early (FIRE) and how developers are well positioned to work towards financial independence. Links RobinHood FireCalc MrMoneyMustache FIRE Math
73:10 4/8/19
Episode 62: All the Hosts
Matt Trask, Ben Edmunds, and Amanda Folson are joined by our deported former co-host Phil Sturgeon. There’s not much of an agenda to this episode. We all catch up on what’s new with Phil and we fill him in on what’s new with PHP.
72:30 2/18/19
Episode 61: Dollar Bills Yall - Part 1
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Jason McCreary and Anthony Fox to discuss budgeting and personal finance for developers. This episode takes a high level view and focuses on how new developers can make good decisions and avoid common pitfalls that come along with that first “developer money” paycheck. We’ll be back for part 2 shortly. Links You Need a Budget YNAB Acorns Vanguard MrMoneyMustache CreditKarma Debitize app Principles - Ray Dalio
62:25 1/16/19
Episode 60: Education, Bootcamps, and the Cool Factor
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Peggy Fisher and Ryan Tablada to discuss the general state of computer science education, developer bootcamps, landing that first job, and why PHP isn’t ususally taught to new developers.
62:02 12/9/18
Episode 59: Startup Lyfe - Part 2
Amanda Folson and Ben Edmunds are joined by Mike Wales, Chris Boden, and Daniel Cousineau once again, to finish our discussion about working at and founding startups. This is part two of two.
97:21 10/23/18
Episode 58: Startup Lyfe - Part 1
Amanda Folson and Ben Edmunds are joined by Mike Wales, Chris Boden, and Daniel Cousineau to discuss working at and founding startups. This is part one of two. Part two is coming in a few weeks.
83:33 10/8/18
Episode 57: APIs, Conferences, API Conferences, and Horrible Flights
Matt Trask and Ben Edmunds are joined by Tessa Mero to discuss their conference organizing experience and the conferences they are putting on in the coming months. Links Southeast PHP Conference API Strat Conference API City Conference Southeast PHP Poster
65:25 8/5/18
Episode 56: GraphQL is better than REST
Amanda Folson and Ben Edmunds are joined by Phil Sturgeon to discuss what’s new in the world of API development. Make sure to check out his new book Talking To Other People’s APIs. Sponsor We’re sponsored this episode by the Southeast PHP Conference: Southeast PHP Community Conference in Nashville, TN is happening August 16th and 17th right in downtown Nashville. Our CfP opens February 15th with a theme around the modern PHP toolbox. Come hang out with us, listen to awesome speakers talk about a wide variety of topics, meet new friends and of course, try some hot chicken. and @southeastphp on twitter. If you or your company is interested in sponsoring, contact us at
55:06 1/11/18
Episode 55: The Hardest Problem in Software
Amanda Folson and Ben Edmunds are joined by Mike Wales and Michael Lopp to discuss the hardest problem in software - people. Also make sure to check out the books recommended during this episode: Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High Nine Minutes on Monday: The Quick and Easy Way to Go From Manager to Leader Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity Managing Humans: Biting and Humorous Tales of a Software Engineering Manager
74:21 11/14/17
Episode 54: Conferences and Stuff
Amanda Folson and Ben Edmunds are joined by Daniel Cousineau, Tracy Hinds, Ian Littman, and Matt Trask to discuss the good, bad, and ugly of conference organizing. Make sure to check out the kickstarter for the Longhorn PHP Conference.
75:59 8/21/17

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