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Ops Cast

Ops Cast, by MarketingOps.com, is a podcast for Marketing Operations Pros by Marketing Ops Pros. Hosted by Michael Hartmann, Mike Rizzo & Naomi Liu

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Enhancing Resilience: Blending Mental Well-Being with Physical Health and Workplace Innovations
Struggling with the high-stakes demands of marketing ops, I recently found myself reflecting on the immense toll it can take on our mental health. But it's not all doom and gloom; in fact, my latest podcast is a beacon of hope, featuring Andy Mullings of Bluprintx, who joins me to share how feats like the National Three Peaks Challenge can fortify our mental resilience. Together, we trade stories of physical endeavors that underscore the intricate dance between mental well-being and physical health, advocating for the innovative ways in which tools like ChatGPT can underpin mental health support systems.Mistakes in a regulated environment can feel like the end of the world, but they don't have to. Through a personal account, I reveal the vulnerability of a team member brought low by a single error and the importance of embracing those errors as invaluable lessons. Our conversation with Andy Mullings further enriches this narrative, as we discuss fostering a nurturing work atmosphere through tools like the Clifton Strengths assessment and the profound effect it can have on a team's spirit and success.As we close our heartfelt discussion, we celebrate the power of routine, physical activity, and social interaction in maintaining mental equilibrium. From Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the simple discipline of daily walks, Andy and I explore strategies that help keep overthinking at bay and balance in our hectic lives. We don't stop there – we delve into the role of workflow automation in easing workplace stress and conclude with the undeniable truth that a supportive culture is vital not just for individual well-being, but for the overall health of an organization. Join us for this eye-opening episode that promises to enlighten and encourage.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
55:05 5/13/24
Exploring the Possibility of Alphabet's Acquisition of HubSpot
Could the acquisition of HubSpot by Alphabet spell a revolution or a step back for marketing automation? Join Naomi Liu, Mike Rizzo, and myself, Michael Hartmann, as we tackle this burning question. We dissect the ripple effects of such a corporate shake-up, drawing from historical tech giant acquisitions and project what it could mean for the innovative landscape of marketing tools. We don't just stop there; we also weigh in on the shifting tide towards bespoke marketing stacks, questioning whether the allure of customization outweighs the convenience of an all-in-one platform.Strap in as we venture into the high-stakes realm of artificial intelligence and machine learning, and their profound impact on the tech world. Amidst discussions of composability and the democratization of development, we're bringing you firsthand insights into the complexities of creating custom solutions within large corporations. We consider the potential risks and rewards, from grappling with maintenance to protecting intellectual property, and ponder the scenarios that might compel a company to radically rethink its technological backbone.Wrapping things up, we shift gears to the grassroots level, sharing a fascinating chat with a startup founder who crafted a nimble, homegrown tech solution during the lockdown era. We invite our hands-on listeners to share their tales of tech tinkering and celebrate the art of simplicity in technology. Your feedback is the heartbeat of our conversation, and we eagerly anticipate the diverse viewpoints and experiences you'll bring to the table. Tune in for an episode that's set to challenge and refine your approach to technology in marketing and sales.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
39:00 5/6/24
The Secret Sauce of Project Management in Marketing with Jo Gruszka
Ever wondered what ties the vibrant threads of a marketing campaign together? On our latest OpsCast episode, we're thrilled to have Jo Gruszka, the marketing operations wizard behind mo jogruszka, unravel this mystery with us. With a tapestry of experience that spans merchandising to overseeing operational programs, Joe stitches together an enlightening narrative on why project management is the quilt that comforts creative and operational teams, allowing them to shine. Her journey from industry expert to founder of a consulting firm that blends efficiency with a dash of magic reveals how vital project management is to the fabric of any marketing endeavor.Picture this: a world where marketing maestros are bogged down by the weight of administrative tasks, their creative symphony reduced to a cacophony. That's the chaotic scene we examine with Jo's expertise, highlighting how a dedicated project manager can orchestrate harmony within the ranks. We recount tales of transformation, including a maternity leave cover that underscored the power of a finely tuned onboarding process. Our conversational loom weaves through topics like the debate over external project managers and the paramount role of a conductor who keeps the marketing ensemble in tempo to hit every note of success.In a crescendo of shared wisdom, Jo conducts us through the must-have qualities for a maestro of project management. From the strategic placement in cross-departmental gatherings to wielding tools like Jira with finesse, we uncover the art of ensuring marketing and IT projects perform a seamless ballet. But it's not just about the baton they wield; it's the music they hear—relationship-building, proactive listening, and an intricate knowledge of the marketing rhythms—that marks an exceptional project manager. Join us for this harmonious exploration that's sure to resonate with anyone orchestrating their own marketing symphony.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
48:07 4/29/24
Getting Started as a Freelancer with Lauren Aquilino and Sydney Mulligan
Ever wondered what it takes to leave the 9-to-5 grind and shape your destiny in the world of freelance marketing ops? That's exactly what we're unpacking with the dynamic duo behind EMMIE Collective, Lauren Aquilino and Sydney Mulligan. We don't just scratch the surface; we get down to the nitty-gritty of establishing a freelancing business, taking you through the unexpected hurdles and sharing the unspoken benefits of being the architect of your own career. From the essential cushion of financial security to the indispensable skill of nurturing client rapport, this episode is your freelancing field guide, stuffed with actionable advice for both budding and seasoned freelancers alike.As we chat with Lauren and Sydney, we unravel the layers of their freelancing blueprint and how EMMIE Collective emerged as a beacon for marketing ops consultants. Discover how they tackled the common freelancer challenges, like isolation and the maelstrom of non-billable tasks, by banding together. This episode is about the power of collaboration and community in a field that can sometimes feel like a solo voyage. Join us for an honest conversation that reveals how strategic planning, and a blend of technical and soft skills, can harmonize your professional and personal aspirations.To cap off our insightful session, we take a deep dive into the evolution of community knowledge-sharing and the art of personal branding in the freelancing sphere. Get a peek at the current freelance market dynamics and learn why consultants are now seen as a crucial service line item. Plus, discover why platforms like LinkedIn and Slack can be your greatest allies in showcasing your expertise. Whether you're contemplating a freelance leap or seeking to elevate your game, this episode is brimming with wisdom from those who've charted the course and now invite you to join the voyage.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
52:48 4/22/24
People-First GTM and how Marketing Ops can Enable it with Mark Kilens
Prepare to redefine your marketing game as we join forces with Mark Kilens, the mastermind CEO of TAC, who brings with him a wealth of knowledge from Airmeet, Drift, and HubSpot Academy. Discover a treasure trove of tips for connecting with your audience on a human level, transforming go-to-market strategies that no longer just capture demand, but cultivate meaningful relationships. Get ready to find out how to infuse a human touch in your business interactions that will not just resonate but also generate revenue.Throughout the conversation, we unwrap the art of storytelling in B2B marketing and how it can do more than just sell a product—it can build trust. Mark and I explore the potent combination of storytelling, relationships, and partnerships. These are the indispensable pillars that support a strong marketing structure, aligning perfectly with the evolved consumer behavior of today. Learn how to narrate the emotional value behind your product, focusing on the outcomes rather than just the features.Finally, we venture into the collaborative landscape where integrated partner-led growth strategies come into play. From leveraging ComStore's GoToNetwork for smarter partnerships to adapting marketing strategies in accordance with macro market conditions, we cover it all. We also discuss the emergence of people-led growth tactics and how these can be powered by AI, while never forgetting the irreplaceable human element. Tune in, and be inspired by a blend of innovative ideas that could be the missing piece in your marketing puzzle.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
45:51 4/15/24
Using the Go to Network Motion with Mac Reddin
Discover the transformative strategies that are rippling through MarketingOps as I, Michael Hartman, am joined by the astute Mac Reddin, founder of ComSore/Community Club. Together, we tackle the emerging go-to-network models that are reshaping how we think about and execute marketing strategies. We're unpacking the essentials of human-centric marketing and the power of trust in building long-lasting customer relationships. Forget about the days of impersonal, sales-driven tactics—today's marketing is all about creating genuine connections that value people over simple transactions.Dive into a conversation that merges the wisdom of experience with innovative marketing tactics, revealing the secrets behind successful go-to-network strategies. Mac and I share anecdotes and strategies that highlight the importance of creating a culture where marketing and sales teams foster deep connections with their customers. We explore the art of trust-building and the impact of salespeople who invest time in educating and supporting their clients, proving that the best tools are useless without the right mindset and skills to wield them effectively. Wrap up your understanding of MarketingOps with our discussion on the need for new technologies to manage complex networks and the shift towards customer-centric engagement. We dissect the challenges of predicting revenue in an ever-changing economic landscape and probe into how varying generations of sales leaders are adapting to these changes. Our conversation will leave you pondering the roles of AI, automation, and the value of authentic relationships in the quest for marketing success. Join us for this episode, brimming with insights and strategies to navigate the evolving tides of marketing operations.Ted Talk by Shawn Anchor mentioned during the episode linked hereEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
53:46 4/8/24
Manage Your Hype Cycle or be Managed by it with Frans Riemersma
Embark on a journey through the intricate maze of marketing technology as Frans Riemersma, the brain behind MarTech Tribe, joins us to unravel the threads of hype cycles and their profound impact on the world of marketing innovation. Discover how these cycles mirror psychological models like the Dunning-Kruger effect and Kubler-Ross's grief curve, offering a fascinating glimpse into the way we, and the organizations we are a part of, come to grips with the relentless tide of new tech. If you're curious about aligning your tech investments with your actual needs, often finding that less is more, this episode is your treasure map to making informed, strategic choices.Dive into the world where hype cycles intersect with marketing maturity models, and uncover where your company might land in the grand scheme of marketing automation and prowess. Frans guides us through the nuanced understanding of these maturity definitions, drawing from Carnegie Mellon University's framework, and how these cycles ripple through every level—from industry trends to individual experiences. We discuss the art of identifying the right project leaders and making strategic tech adoption decisions that navigate the crests and troughs of innovation. For those who aspire to lead the pack in the marketing technology race, this conversation is a lighthouse in the fog of industry buzz.In our final chapter, we switch gears to the strategic elements of marketing operations and the undeniable power of data analysis. Learn how to reverse engineer customer journeys that magnify your company's value and why prioritizing client needs trumps the allure of shiny new tech. Frans imparts wisdom on the Blue Ocean Strategy and the art of aiming small to win big—ensuring your investments are not just expenditures but catalysts for success. If you've ever wondered how to make every dollar work for you, join us as we dissect the crucial elements of profitability and strategic questioning that can lead to your business's financial triumph.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
50:35 4/1/24
ABM and PLG Motions - Two Sides of the Same Coin with Julie Geller
Prepare to unlock the secrets of combining Account-Based Marketing with Product-Led Growth as Julie Geller from Infotech Research Group joins us for an insightful exploration into harmonizing these powerful strategies. Our conversation kicks off with Julie's wealth of experience, from pivotal roles in company acquisitions to the forefront of marketing technology innovation. We pull back the curtain on ABM's transformation over the years, revealing how it has sharpened its focus on high-value accounts through personalized, intent-based marketing and discussing the hurdles that businesses face when implementing these data-driven approaches.Venture into the operational world of ABM and PLG, where maintaining a clean database is not just recommended but essential for effective campaign customization. Julie and I dissect the struggles of selecting top-tier accounts amidst the chaos of unclean data and how PLG's user-centric growth methods offer a compelling contrast. By advocating for a blend of ABM's targeted precision with PLG's organic reach, we champion a strategy that aligns with the natural purchasing tendencies of today's savvy customers.Finally, we wade through the nuances of buyer engagement with a focus on the art of personalized messaging. Julie illuminates how recognizing potential champions within organizations can be a game-changer, and we ponder the non-linear odyssey customers undertake, emphasizing the importance of crafting a customer experience that adapts to their unique journey. As we conclude, heartfelt thanks are extended to Julie for sharing her expertise, and we tease the promise of more illuminating conversations with future experts. Join us for a session that not only enriches your marketing knowledge but also empowers you to sculpt strategies that resonate with the heartbeat of modern customer dynamics.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
44:37 3/25/24
Predictability and Planning of Pipeline Metrics with Rachel Squire
Unlock the mysteries of marketing ops with Rachel Squire, a former math teacher turned marketing maven, making waves in the world of Marketo and data-driven solutions. Our discussion peeks into Rachel's remarkable transition from academia to the forefront of marketing analytics, offering a fresh perspective on the value that a strong analytical mindset can bring to the marketing table. Her insights reveal not just the unexpected paths one can take toward a career in marketing ops but also the essential analytical prowess required for success in the field.Ever wondered how the modern sales funnel bends and twists in response to today’s well-informed customer base? Rachel and I dissect the evolution of buyer behavior, especially within the B2B SaaS landscape, where traditional models like the serious decisions model are being reshaped. We reflect on our own buying experiences to underscore the trend of vendor independence and the importance of adapting sales strategies to keep up. This dance between old and new requires finesse and an ability to forecast not just sales figures but also shifts in customer dynamics.In a candid exchange, we tackle the challenges lurking in the data management corridors of sales teams, emphasizing resilience and the need for clear, reliable sales metrics. The conversation then moves towards the transformative power of AI and machine learning in honing marketing metrics, pulling back the curtain on how these technologies can revolutionize early-stage funnel predictability and accountability in marketing. Join us as we fuse Rachel's astute analysis with real-world examples to illuminate the path to marketing operations excellence.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
51:31 3/18/24
Applying Lean Methodology in Marketing and Revenue Operations with Rutger Katz
Explore the transformative power of lean methodology in the marketing realm with Rutger Katz, a luminary in digital strategy and a maestro of marketing technology. With Rutger's rich background in neuroscience and an impressive journey from Capgemini to pioneering consultancy, we dissect the application of lean principles to the fluid and dynamic world of marketing. Uncover how to craft strategies that resonate with a customer-centric approach, distill the essence of purpose, process, and people, and effectively manage resources to carve a lasting impact in your industry.Venture into the trenches of operational efficiency as we unravel the three P's of lean methodology that are revolutionizing marketing operations. Hear a compelling case study from a food relief organization, where lean thinking transformed their operations, and discover how tools like the Hoshin Kanri framework and the Kano model can fine-tune your strategic alignment and customer experience efforts. This knowledge-packed exchange promises to equip marketing professionals with the prowess to prioritize work and manifest their value within any organization.Embrace the spirit of Kaizen for continuous improvement and witness how incremental enhancements are key to triumph, as illustrated by the success stories from the Tour de France. Learn how the "Five Whys" and "Fishbone Diagram" can be leveraged to dig deep into the root causes of challenges and inspire a culture of self-motivated growth. This episode isn't just about refining processes; it's about steering transformational change and propelling your team towards victory—one small, calculated step at a time.Resources mentioned during the episode:Applying Lean Methodologies in Marketing PresentationLinkedIn Post - Lean: StreamliningMarketing and Revenue OperationsEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
49:36 3/11/24
Lessons Learned Hiring Marketing Ops Agencies with Jessica Kao
In today's episode, we embark on a journey to explore the intricate world of hiring contractors and agencies in the marketing revenue ops space. Inspired by a thought-provoking LinkedIn post, this discussion dives into the nuances and strategic decisions facing leaders today. Our special guest, Jessica Kao, Senior Director of MarTech at CloudFlare, shares her exceptional transition from cancer biology to marketing analytics, highlighting the unexpected parallels between predictive cancer modeling and forecasting marketing outcomes. Jessica's story is not just about career transformation; it's a testament to the power of data storytelling across diverse fields.Join us as our host Michael and Jessica unravel the complexities of assembling a powerhouse Marketing Ops team, touching on the critical choices between full-time employees, contractors, and agencies, and the strategic use of offshore resources. With over a decade of experience, Jessica lends her insights into crafting a team that not only builds but thrives in the sophisticated landscape of marketing infrastructures.Furthermore, the episode delves into the art of partnership and resource management, offering a candid look at evaluating agency relationships and mitigating risks. From navigating RFP processes to understanding the essence of successful collaborations, learn how to discern the right agency fit and manage project capacities like a pro. Jessica rounds off the discussion with an invitation to connect further and a teaser of her upcoming talk at the Adobe Summit, promising to demystify the jargon clouding executive conversations.Tune in to this episode for a treasure trove of insights that will sharpen your Marketing Ops acumen, presented in our signature friendly, clear, and concise manner. Whether you're just starting in marketing operations or leading a team at an enterprise level, this conversation is filled with valuable takeaways to help you navigate the hiring landscape and optimize your Marketing Ops squad.Check out the LinkedIn post here: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mikedrizzo_marketingops-revops-marketingoperations-activity-7140490673287233537-ktv_/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktopEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
49:01 3/4/24
The Importance of Good Planning on Productivity and Mental Health with Dani Worthman
In this podcast episode, we delve into the complex world of marketing operations with the expertise of Dani Worthman, Director of Marketing Operations at Headspace. Dani shares her professional journey, which intersects with the critical importance of mental health within the demanding landscape of marketing operations. Her journey, from a background in neuroscience to leading a marketing agency and eventually embracing a strategic role in a corporate environment, provides a unique perspective on balancing mental well-being with professional demands.We explore the concept of work-life balance as a dynamic pursuit rather than a fixed state, drawing on experiences from our own Mike's foray into freelancing. Dani offers invaluable insights into leading a team while prioritizing mental health, emphasizing the role of trust in preventing burnout. The discussion acknowledges that achieving balance requires ongoing adjustment and a strategic approach to the challenges of marketing operations.The episode also addresses practical aspects of marketing operations management, from adopting agile methodologies to integrating IT-inspired documentation practices. These strategies aim to enhance communication and organizational structure, thereby reducing the stress associated with roles in marketing operations. We discuss the importance of allocating time for strategic planning and agile response to unforeseen challenges, offering listeners actionable advice for optimizing their marketing operations team's efficiency.Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that serves as a guide for professionals seeking to improve their marketing operations while maintaining a focus on mental health and well-being.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
56:22 2/26/24
Tips to "Do More with Less" in Marketing Ops with Colton Slauson
Prepare to delve into the transformative world of marketing efficiency with a minimalist approach—an attainable reality we're excited to explore. In this episode, we are honored to have Colton Slauson from Sendoso as our esteemed guest. Together, we navigate the nuanced art of simplification and optimization within marketing operations. Colton, who began his journey as an intern making memorable missteps with 'Marketo,' has ascended to the role of Senior Marketing Operations Manager, epitomizing the principle of achieving more with less. His trajectory offers invaluable insights into automating routine tasks, streamlining processes, and effectively integrating Sendoso and Alice, all while leading a lean yet impactful marketing operations team.Many professionals can relate to the challenge of managing competing priorities akin to a performer without a net. This episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the delicate equilibrium between satisfying customer expectations and fulfilling internal objectives. Through our dialogue with Colton, we illuminate the importance of communication in maintaining alignment with sales teams and making decisive judgments on project priorities. Our discussion also includes a humorous anecdote about a VP's content notification request, illustrating how a simple query can unravel complex issues.Moreover, this episode goes beyond storytelling to provide actionable insights. Managing a diverse marketing technology stack is often compared to herding cats, yet we break down strategies for mastering this complexity with a streamlined team. Additionally, we redefine the allure of documentation, emphasizing its role not just in procedural accuracy but also in compliance with privacy regulations and enhancing team cohesion. We advocate for a culture of curiosity, underscoring how an inquisitive disposition and engagement with the broader marketing community can propel professional growth.Join us for an enlightening conversation that promises to elevate your approach to marketing operations. Tune in to this episode to revolutionize your marketing strategies and operations.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
46:13 2/19/24
How Marketing Ops can Support Nearbound GTM Strategies with Justin Gray
This episode is the first of a series we are working on to educate our audience about some emerging Go-to-market approaches, and to provide guidance on how you, as a marketing ops professional, can be an enabler for these GTM approaches. In today's episode, we will be talking with Justin Gray about Nearbound GTM Strategies. Justin is an award-winning 5X entrepreneur who has made a career of launching and scaling companies and guiding them to successful exits of over 250MM. In 2018, Justin started angel investing to make strategic investments in founders he believes in and is currently a Limited Partner in several Funds.He is now Co-founder and Managing Director of In Revenue Capital, where he couples GTM expertise with venture funding to empower Seed stage founders and their startups, through a first of its kind model called Operator-Immersive capital.Justin is a strong voice for pragmatic entrepreneurship, Partner-Led Growth, and building intentional performance culture. As a recognized speaker and thought leader, Justin has presented at top industry conferences and has been published over 500 times in publications.Tune in to hear: Justin introduces the concept of Nearbound GTM strategy, discussing its definition and implications.He outlines the key market drivers that prompted his team to adopt the Nearbound approach.Justin emphasizes the importance of building relationships across the organization for successful implementation of Nearbound strategy.The conversation delves into the impact of Nearbound approach on talent identification, hiring, and retention, questioning whether the current models are adaptable to this strategy.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
47:28 2/12/24
The Coming Martech Supercollision with Scott Brinker
In todays episode, we talk about the coming (maybe already here) Martech Supercollision, joined by the one and only Scott Brinker.  Scott has always been fascinated by the intersection of technology platforms and ecosystems and marketing strategy and operations. He has been called the "godfather of martech" by AdAge, has been analyzing marketing technology and its impact on marketing organizations for more than 16 years as the editor of the chiefmartec.com blog. He serves as VP Platform Ecosystem at HubSpot, helping to grow and nurture the company's community of technology partners. He also authored the best-selling book Hacking Marketing and co-authored the best-seller The New Automation Mindset.Tune in to hear:Scott discuss the unexpected growth of the Marketing Technology (Martech) Landscape since its first iteration. He reflects on how the list of vendors has expanded significantly by 2023, exceeding initial expectations.Key Themes in Martech: The episode delves into three major themes identified by Scott: Data, Composability, and AI. Each theme is discussed in detail:Data: Covers the evolution of data integration, the concept of a continuous data integration "flywheel," the debate between consolidation vs. aggregation, and the idea of fragile vs. anti-fragile systems.Composability: Focuses on the changing role of software developers, the blend of packaged and custom software, the democratization of software development (including "citizen coders"), and the shift from Big Data to Big Ops.AI in Martech: Discusses the balance between quality and quantity in AI applications, the potential for AI/ML to automate advanced use cases, and the concept of "Martec’s Law" related to the pace of technological change and organizational adaptation.Scott gives his predictions about significant changes expected in the Martech landscape by the end of 2024, exploring how current trends might evolve and become more mainstream in the field.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
50:55 2/5/24
From IT to CMO to CRO to founder with Jenn Steele
In today's episode, sharing her story is Jenn Steele. Jenn is an entrepreneur, CEO, and founder with a solid track record in the fields of marketing technology and startups. With over a decade of executive experience, Jenn has consistently demonstrated strategic leadership and go-to-market skills that have led to outstanding outcomes. After successfully turning around and selling Kissmetrics in 2023, she is currently founding another company in the martech space. Her journey includes roles such as CEO at Kissmetrics, Vice President of Marketing at Reprise, Chief Revenue Officer at ORSNN, Chief Marketing Officer at Madison Logic, and Vice President, Product Marketing at Bizible. She started her marketing career at HubSpot in 2009 as one of the first hundred employees.Tune in to hear: Jenn share insights on her experiences with Marketing Operations (Ops) teams across different roles, highlighting how her perspective on Marketing Ops has evolved and varied depending on her position, and how it has changed over time.As a former CMO and current CEO/founder, Jenn outlines her approach to building a marketing organization, emphasizing the timing and importance of integrating Operations and the early focus areas for the Ops team.The conversation delves into Jenn's transition from marketing to entrepreneurship, exploring the motivations and influences behind her decision to start new ventures in the marketing space.Jenn reflects on pivotal moments and key figures in her career, discussing how certain decisions and individuals have significantly influenced her current success and providing final thoughts on her journey and advice for others.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
50:58 1/29/24
Behind the Mic: OpsCast's 100th Episode Celebration
In this episode, hosts Michael Hartmann, Naomi Liu, and Mike Rizzo,  reflect on reaching a significant milestone of publishing 100 episodes. They discuss their surprise at the podcast's success and its impact on listeners. They highlight the diverse global audience and share interesting statistics about their listeners' locations.The hosts also discuss the uniqueness of podcasting as a medium for connecting with others and how it allows them to meet and learn from various experts and professionals. They touch on the challenges of podcasting, such as limited data insights and the lack of a structured theme. Finally, they hint at the possibility of upcoming themed episodes focused on go-to-market strategies and managing expectations in marketing operations.Tune in to OpsCast for an insightful and unscripted conversation with the hosts as they celebrate their podcast's achievements and share their future plans for the show.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
33:27 1/22/24
The importance of Finance Knowledge within Marketing Operations with Jaime Garza
In today's episode, we talk about the importance of Finance Knowledge for Marketing Ops pros with Jaime Garza, currently Senior Manager, Marketing Operations at SolarWinds . Prior to joining SolarWinds, Jaime has had in-house roles in Marketing Operations, Marketing Program Management and as a founder. He co-founded a company in the real estate media industry. Jaime is also a veteran of the US Army Green Berets and the Texas Army National Guard, where he served in combat and trained other military. Tune in to hear: Jaime's career overview and how he ended up in Marketing Ops.The importance of finance knowledge and what Jaime learned during his MBA.Managing the full marketing budget and the lessons learned from that experience.Recommendations for pitching projects internally, emphasizing the importance of finance as a universal business language, and the impact on reporting and analytics in attribution and influence reporting.Some statistics knowledge can be helpful on your journey to learning more finance, if you are interested, take the Stats 101 Course for Marketing Ops taught by Camela Thompson.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
51:42 1/15/24
Setting Expectations and Measuring Results of GTM Motions with Shivina Kumar
Welcome to a special milestone episode of Ops Cast! We're celebrating our 100th episode, and we're thrilled to have you join us on this journey. While there might be more than 100 episodes in our feed, this feels like a significant moment as we approach three years of this podcast adventure.But that's not the only reason we're excited today. In this episode, we have the privilege of speaking with Shivina Kumar, the Director of Brand & Communications at CompStak. Shivina has had a remarkable career journey, holding various leadership roles in marketing, branding, and operations. She's also a guest lecturer and has published multiple papers about the marketing ecosystem.Tune in to hear: Shivina's career journey and how she obtained a patent.The transformation of branding from a qualitative concept to achieving "attribution" in branding.The use of full funnel metrics by branding teams, including the types of metrics they focus on, benchmark establishment, and ongoing measurement.The ABM Impact graph and its significance for the audience, along with practical applications.How metrics inform decisions regarding tactics in GTM, goal setting, and the methodology used for campaigns/initiatives, including the alignment with Sales and Finance.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
51:29 1/3/24
The Coming Era of Adaptive Personalization with Tony Ferreira
In today's episode,  we talk about Adaptive Personalization with Tony Ferreira, currently Senior Growth Director at WillowTree, a conultancy/agency. He is primarily responsible for the growth of their Adobe Practice area. Tony has 15+ years in technology, marketing, data, strategy, ecommerce, and product ownership experience. Prior to joining WillowTree, Tony has held various leadership and management roles in agencies/consultancies and in house. He is an avid consumer of content and is always looking for ways to apply it to his current roles and teams.Tune in to hear: Tony discusses his career journey, highlighting the influence of his coaching experience at a school on his approach to Marketing Operations.He explains the concept of "Adaptive Personalization" in marketing, as discussed in his recent LinkedIn post.Tony differentiates between "Adaptive Personalization" and the often-heard term "personalization at scale," clarifying their meanings and applications in marketing.He explores the feasibility and reality of real-time personalization in both B2B and B2C sectors, leveraging tools like Adobe's suite for unified account profiles.This episode was originally inspired by this LinkedIn post by Tony.Blog posts written by Tony mentioned in this episode:Navigating Marketing Operations: Insights from a MarTech Professional.Why Marketing Ops Should Have Its Own Seat at the TableEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
50:21 12/19/23
MOps-Apalooza 2023 Recap with Michael Hartmann, Naomi Liu & Mike Rizzo
In today’s episode, The Ops Cast hosts Michael Hartmann, Naomi Liu, and Mike Rizzo dive into a detailed recap of MOps-Alooza 2023. This episode offers an engaging discussion that reflects on the highlights, key learnings, and memorable moments from the event. The trio shares their personal takeaways, emphasizing the innovations and strategies that stood out. They also engage in a lively conversation about attendee feedback and suggestions that could shape MOps-Apalooza 2024. Whether you're a marketing operations professional or just curious about the latest trends in the field, this episode provides valuable insights and a peek into the future of marketing operations. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
42:17 11/20/23
Building a Marketing Operations “Portfolio” with Joy Martinez
In this episode, we talk about building a Marketing Ops portofolio with Joy Martinez, Senior Director of Marketing Operations with CS2 a consultancy. Joy was a 2022 Marketo Champion, Marketo Certified Solutions Architect, and 8x Marketo Certified Expert. With almost 20 years of experience in marketing – both in-house and consulting – and the last 12 of those specifically in marketing operations, Joy brings a breadth and depth of experience in areas such as marketing operations strategy, business process, attribution and funnel reporting, MarTech, Marketo implementations, demand generation, ABM and more. Joy is also a founding member and ambassador for MarketingOps.com. Joy is passionate about strengths-based development, instructional design & training, and enjoys coaching and mentoring the next generation of MOps leaders.Tune in to hear: How Joy got into Marketing Operations. Her recommendations on how to start developing a portfolio. Her passion for Mentorship and how it’s affected her career. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
46:30 11/14/23
The Evolution of Marketing Ops in the Age of Generative Digital Experiences with Paul Wilson
In this episode, we have our first discussion about the intersection of Generative AI and Marketing Operations. Joining us for the conversation is Paul Wilson, Chief Strategist of GTM Systems, a consulting company focused on reinventing the intersection of marketing, sales, and customer success operations. Prior to starting GTM Systems, Paul held several senior leadership roles in Marketing Operations and Marketing Technology, including One Trust, Salesforce and Slack, among others. He has also been involved with Sales Operations and, at one point, was in sales. He is also an advisor to some startups.Tune in to hear: - Why Paul thinks Marketing Operations professionals are the innovators to lead the generative transformation of GTM.- What he sees happening in the next few years with technologies. - What MO Pros should be doing to prepare themselves and their teams/organizations for the new landscape. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
51:46 7/24/23
Marketing Ops Career Advice from Vivi Gehan
In this episode, we discuss Vivi Gehan's interesting career journey to Marketing Ops.  Vivi is currently Vice President of Operations with Digital Pi (a part of Merkle). Prior to that, she held several other roles in Marketing and Marketing Ops, both in-house and with consultancies, including LeadMD. She is also a member of Mensa!Tune in to hear - -  Vivi's transition from doing events to ending up in Marketing Ops. -  Challenges she faced during her transition from in-house marketing to consulting. -  Some key transitions, or people,  along the way that had a major impact on her career journey. - How Vivi thinks about the skills she gained from past positions and applied those transferable skills for getting and succeeding in new roles.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
52:53 7/10/23
The Importance of Project and Program Management for MOps with Paula Gorman
In this episode, Paula Gorman talks with us about the importance of project management and program management. Paula is the Owner of Lift Group, the consulting firm she started that is focused on operational improvements & digital transformation to support organizational efficiency and scale. She has also held leadership roles in customer success, implementation, and project/program management. Tune in to hear: How Paula thinks about / approaches the concept of different levels and/or dimensions for project and program management. Her best practices for managing projects and whether the type of project or domain has an impact.When Paula thinks is time to consider adding a project manager to an Ops team or for specific projects. Paula’s suggestions on how to ensure better alignment when it comes to connecting these initiatives to overall organizational goals and objectives.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
54:14 6/26/23
A Marketing Ops Maturity Model and more with Simon Daniels
Today we will be talking about the concept of a maturity model for Marketing Ops and the skills MOps pros need with Simon Daniels. Simon is currently Principal Analyst for Marketing Operations Strategies at Forrester where he does research and delivers guidance and advice to clients. Prior to joining Forrester, he has held several Marketing Operations leadership roles both in-house and as a consultant. He has also co-hosted another podcast called What’s MOps Got to do With it?Tune in to hear: - Simon's perspective on what is needed to build and upskill a MOPs team/department. - Whether he thinks all the principles of the maturity model apply to companies of different sizes / stages.- What he sees as the career paths for Marketing Ops leaders? Rev Ops? Chief of Staff? CMO? Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
51:41 5/22/23
How MOps can Leverage the Transition to First Party Cookies with Sylvain Giuliani
In this episode,  we talk with Sylvain Giuliani about how Marketing Ops pros can take advantage of the increasing importance of first-party cookies. Sylvain is currently Head of Growth at Census, a reverse ETL provider. He is also an active member of several communities, primarily in the revenue space. He is also an investor and mentor with experience at several startups - as a founder and leader.Tune in to hear: - The state of things with first-party vs third party / intent data; and, the trends/impacts on the ease of capturing and quality.- How Sylvain approaches the challenge of the importance of identifying customers’ preferred communication channels to optimize spend/effort.- How Marketing Ops teams can leverage this insight to strategically collaborate with other marketing teams (demand gen, ABM, etc.) - specifically as it relates to access and understanding of data. To contact Sylvain on LinkedIn, click this link to his profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sylvaingiuliani/Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Join Us at MOps-Apalooza, Nov 4-6 2024!Join us LIVE in November 2024 along with 400+ Marketing and Revenue Ops pros. Learn more here.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
51:25 5/8/23
CMO Ops with Raja Walia
In this episode, we talk CMO-Ops role with returning guest, Raja Walia. Raja is the founder and principal consultant of GNW Consulting, a marketing automation and CRM consulting company. GNW is the latest in a series of marketing, marketing operations and marketing automation consulting organizations.Tune in to hear: - What Raja means by "CMO Ops."- How differentiates these roles from “traditional” CMO roles or marketing ops roles.- Raja elaborates on how this could be a fractional role and talks about what he thinks the scenarios are where the "fractional" CMO role would work well vs those that would not?Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Episode Brought to You By: MO ProsThe #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
56:17 4/11/23
The Great Attribution Debate with Andrea Lechner-Becker and Drew Smith
In this episode, we talk with Andrea Lechner-Becker and Drew Smith about attribution reporting. Andrea is currently the Head of Marketing at Toolio. Prior to Toolio, Andrea worked in consulting, and was CMO of Shift Paradigm. Drew is currently Founder and CEO of Attributa, a consulting firm that specializes in attribution and marketing analytics. Prior to Attributa, Drew worked in both consulting and in-house marketing roles, including time with LeadMD.Tune in to hear: -  What tools and platforms that excite Drew about the future of attribution reporting.-  Both Andrea and Drew's perspectives on how they think attribution fits into the overall measurement of marketing and marketing’s effectiveness.-  Whether they think attribution reporting will continue to be a hot topic for the foreseeable future.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Episode Brought to You By: MO ProsThe #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the Show.
55:32 3/27/23
Maximizing the Marketing Ops CMO Relationship with Scott Vaughan
In this episode, we talk with Scott Vaughan about how to maximize the relationship between marketing ops and the CMO. Scott is currently a Fractional Executive & GTM Advisor to CXOs & Investors at Vaughan Go-to-Market Advisory - his own advisory/consulting business. Prior to that Scott was the Chief Growth Officer and CMO at Integrate. Scott was also CMO at UBM TechWeb and has held other marketing leadership roles in other industries. Scott is a prolific writer and speaker about marketing, leadership and business.Tune in to hear: What the best marketing ops leaders and teams do to help their CMO.What skills and experience are needed to reach the CMO role. Listen to Scott talk about the common or potential career path for marketing operations professionals to CMO and how can our listeners set themselves up to move up. What Scott meant when he mentioned learning to step outside of marketing - understand customer journey, etc.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MOps-Apalooza is back by popular demand in Anaheim, California! Register for the magical community-led conference for Marketing and Revenue Operations pros.Support the Show.
52:53 2/27/23