The Art of Network Engineering

Send us a textIn this special on-location episode of The Art of Network Engineering, Andy Lapteff sits down in person with Kevin Myers for a conversation that pulls no punches.Kevin brings decades of service provider and whitebox experience to the table as the two dive deep into one of networking’s most complex decisions: how to choose the right vendor to build your network.From Cisco to whitebox, from enterprise carpeted IT to hyperscale data centers, this episode is all about designing networks that align with business needs, not just personal bias or legacy choices.Topics include:Why vendor selection should come after requirements gathering.How multi-vendor environments can create both resilience and complexity.When whitebox networking makes sense—and what kind of teams can support it.The hidden "operational tax" of expanding your vendor portfolio.Why understanding the business is the most critical skill for modern engineers.Whether you're a design engineer, network architect, or just trying to future-proof your ops, this episode is packed with insights that will change how you think about gear, vendors, and the networks we build.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

12/3/25 • 51:26

Send us a textAndy sits down with longtime friend William Collins to unpack three big themes shaping modern NetOps. First: the AWS US-East-1 outage and the myth that “cloud = resiliency by default.” They explore blast radius, hidden regional dependencies, cost trade-offs (active/active vs. DR), and why resiliency is engineered, not purchased. Next: how public speaking accelerates a technical career (without live-demo heartbreak). William shares practical tactics to craft a memorable talk, lean on story, and handle Q&A. Finally: a plain-English walkthrough of Model Context Protocol (MCP), why it exists, how it standardizes tool access for LLMs, and what that means for real NetOps workflows. If you design for failure, want to level up your communication skills, or keep hearing “MCP” and wonder what it actually does, this one’s for you.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

11/19/25 • 70:30

Send us a textNetwork engineers don’t tune into corporate all-hands because they’re “lazy,” they tune out because the message often isn’t for them. In this episode of The Art of Network Engineering, Andy Lapteff sits down with longtime industry leaders Scott Robohn and Mike Bushong to unpack the disconnect between engineering teams and executive communications, and how to fix it.They talk about:Why engineers roll their eyes at town halls, earnings calls, and “four pillars of excellence”How leadership actually thinks about growth, stock price, cost centers, and enablementThe two jobs every company really has: build stuff or sell stuff, and where networking fitsHow to pitch your ideas in business terms so they get fundedWhy AI networking and data center infrastructure are the next durable growth areas for network prosThe difference between being part of the product vs. enabling the product,  and why it matters for your careerIf you’ve ever thought, “Just let me do my job,” this one’s for you. You’ll walk away knowing how to connect your automation, operations, or data center work to the outcomes your company actually cares about: revenue, speed, customer experience, and risk.Listen in, take notes, and then go advocate for your work like it matters, because it does.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

11/5/25 • 58:42

Send us a textBlue Origin’s Lexie Cooper is back! We riff on New Glenn’s first launch and what “vehicle #2” means for launch cadence, where to watch from Florida without getting arrested, and why streaming your learning, even when it’s awkward, is a cheat code for growth. Andy shares his live Python study saga (and a friendly dust-up with Jeff about “just code it”), while Lexie takes us down to Layer 1: PHYs, link pulses, why “turning off auto-negotiation” isn’t always what you think, and why messy home labs beat pretty cable porn. We also get real about authenticity at vendors, the pressure to be “polished,” and whether networking is still a great career in an automation-heavy market.If you need a nudge to build, break, and learn in public, this one’s it.In this episode:New Glenn’s growing fleet & why multiple boosters matterHow/where to catch a Florida launch (scrubs happen)Learning in public: textbooks on stream, tension on mic, real takeawaysPHY vs. ASIC, MAC sublayers, and auto-neg gotchas (with an oscilloscope!)Home labs: why “spaghetti” > showroom racks for actual learningCareers: automation pressure, Git for config history, staying authenticStreaming nuts & bolts: TikTok vs. Twitch vs. YouTube, OBS scenes 101Women in networking and inviting more people into the fieldThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

10/22/25 • 47:55

Send us a textLearning Python as a network engineer can feel confusing, frustrating, and let’s be honest, pretty dry at times. But Andy and Jeff are diving in together to make it real, relatable, and (hopefully) a little more fun.In this episode, they pick up where the last Python Party left off: exploring variables, strings, methods like .title() and .strip(), and why whitespace can break your scripts. Along the way, they share honest struggles, “aha!” moments, and practical applications for automation in the networking world.If you’ve ever looked at Python code and thought, “this isn’t for me,” this episode will make you feel seen. Join Andy and Jeff as they lab, laugh, and learn the building blocks that every network engineer needs to stay relevant in an automated future.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

10/8/25 • 99:41

Send us a textWe’re kicking off a brand-new “Python Study Sessions” series—learn right alongside host Andy Lapteff as he starts from absolute basics and builds momentum one concept at a time. In this first session, Andy walks through the installation of Python, setting up VS Code, running “Hello, world,” and getting comfortable with the Python REPL. Then we dive into fundamentals you’ll use everywhere: variables, print(), syntax highlighting, saving/running files, common traceback errors, and simple debugging in VS Code. This series is inspired by learning in public—join the community, ask questions, and study together as we work through Python Crash Course (3rd ed.). If you liked our recent, more technical BGP episode, you’ll love where this is headed.What you’ll learnInstalling Python 3 and launching the interpreterWriting and running your first script in VS CodeVariables 101: assignment, reassignment, and printing valuesReading tracebacks and fixing name/syntax errorsBeginner mindset tips for sticking with codeWe’ll stream future sessions and continue to publish the audio here. Want to follow along live, ask questions, or share your wins? Watch for stream announcements on our socials: @ArtOfNetEng.If this format helps you, tell us—rate the show, leave a comment, or share with a friend who’s been meaning to learn Python. Your feedback decides if we keep this series going.Subscribe to our YouTube channel and click the notification icon to get notified of our free Python Party Livestreams, where we learn Python fundamentals together: https://www.youtube.com/@artofnetenghttps://www.youtube.com/@erika_thedev FREE Learn to Code for network engineers course:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvfm4aNXLC8wiJs-YGVQXUwukv06z5NJS&si=EqTVV_57fkfHCpP_https://www.youtube.com/@TracketpacerStudy Streams:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj0DbZdkhZoc8t3X98tjB4lfKMRgq03LI&si=bJ9t1tM_3cmJwesRSupport the show:https://www.buzzsprout.com/2127872/supportThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

9/24/25 • 42:53

Send us a textBGP isn’t just “the internet’s protocol”—it’s the most flexible policy engine in networking. In this episode of The Art of Network Engineering, Andy Lapteff and Jeff Clark sit down with Kevin Myers (aka StubArea51) to unpack Border Gateway Protocol from the ground up: why BGP replaced EGP, how policy differs from IGP topology, and where iBGP shines inside modern enterprises.You’ll hear practical patterns for BGP communities (standard, extended, and large), how to tag and filter at scale, and why this beats sprawling prefix lists and brittle ACLs. Kevin walks through real merger scenarios—solving overlapping RFC1918 space with communities, when to NAT vs. renumber, and why IPv6 is a secret weapon for management domains. We also cover iBGP loop prevention, route reflectors vs. full-mesh, the attributes that actually matter (local-pref > weight/MED in most shops), and how SD-WAN leans on BGP under the hood.If you’ve ever wondered why BGP ended up everywhere—WAN, SD-WAN, and even data centers—this conversation connects the dots with clear, battle-tested examples.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

9/10/25 • 72:12

Send us a textWhat happens when a farm kid with a knack for taking things apart discovers computers? Meet Tom Lawrence, the tech polymath behind Lawrence Systems and a YouTube channel with over 375,000 subscribers. In this engaging conversation, Tom reveals how his curiosity-driven journey from 1990s Linux enthusiast to MSP owner and content creator was fueled by a simple philosophy: lead with value.Tom's approach stands in refreshing contrast to typical marketing strategies. "People remember people who helped them, not people who threw them in a sales funnel," he explains, detailing how his comprehensive, no-holds-barred tutorials naturally generate business leads without ever feeling like advertisements. This generosity extends to his forums, where he freely shares configurations, news sources, and technical solutions with a community of over 80,000 weekly visitors.The discussion takes fascinating turns through cybersecurity landscapes, self-hosted AI, and the privacy culture within hacker communities. Tom breaks down complex topics with remarkable clarity – from the security implications of passkeys to the advantages of running language models locally rather than relying on cloud services. His practical advice is grounded in real-world experience: "I only do freebies for immediate family," he laughs, offering wisdom on setting boundaries as a tech professional.Whether you're considering a career in cybersecurity, looking to understand the business side of technology, or simply fascinated by the evolution of computing, Tom's story demonstrates how technical expertise combined with genuine helpfulness creates a formula for success in the digital age. Discover why this self-described "generalist" has become one of the most trusted voices in technical education and what his journey reveals about the future of IT.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

8/27/25 • 69:21

Send us a textFrom refinancing a car to attend Novell School to founding one of networking's most influential podcasts, Ethan Banks shares his remarkable journey through the evolution of network engineering with raw honesty and deep insight.In this captivating conversation, Ethan takes us back to the mid-90s when networks ran on a patchwork of protocols like IPX, DeckNet, and AppleTalk, before the industry consolidated around IP. His career trajectory mirrors the transformation of networking itself—constantly adapting, expanding in scope, and requiring an ever-broader skill set.The story behind Packet Pushers reveals the grind of content creation that many never see. Starting in 2010 when podcasting was still emerging, Ethan and co-founder Greg Farrow recorded remotely (Ethan in the US, Greg in England) while working full-time jobs. Their philosophy of "just hit publish" and focus on consistent, quality content built a community when network engineers often felt isolated in their roles. Five years of this double workload culminated in taking the leap to full-time podcasting in 2015.What makes this episode especially valuable is Ethan's perspective on where networking is heading. Today's engineers need to understand not just routing and switching, but cloud architecture, cybersecurity, automation, and software development principles. While certifications like CCNA still provide foundational knowledge, Ethan emphasizes understanding the "why" behind networking decisions rather than just memorizing commands.For aspiring content creators, Ethan offers encouraging wisdom: don't be intimidated by existing content. Your unique perspective and communication style will connect with people in ways others can't. Creating technical content also forces deeper understanding, revealing knowledge gaps you might not have recognized otherwise.Join our community at linktree.com/artofneteng and visit our Discord "It’s All About the Journey" to continue the conversation about career development, content creation, and navigating the future of networking.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

8/13/25 • 68:25

Send us a textEver wondered what really happens behind the scenes of a tech podcast? From planning to publishing, this episode lifts the veil on the entire content creation process that powers The Art of Network Engineering.The journey begins with planning—far from simply hitting record and talking, successful episodes require thoughtful topic selection, guest coordination, and scheduling. We reveal how project management tools like Asana help organize our workflow, and share how AI assists with generating fresh topics after 170+ episodes. You'll discover the exact hardware setup we use, from professional microphones to lighting equipment, and learn which recording platforms deliver the best results for remote guests.Post-production might seem intimidating, but we break down our approach to editing, sharing both premium solutions like Adobe Premiere Pro and free alternatives like DaVinci Resolve. You'll learn about specialized tools that automatically remove silence and enhance audio quality, dramatically reducing editing time while improving listener experience. We also discuss the importance of visually appealing thumbnails and how Canva makes graphic design accessible to non-designers.Most importantly, we emphasize why creating content matters for your career. As Jeff shares, his early "Tech Tip Tuesday" videos helped him land his first IT job despite lacking traditional experience. Whether you're establishing credibility, demonstrating communication skills, or building community, content creation provides unique opportunities to advance professionally. The best part? You don't need expensive equipment or years of experience to begin—just start with what you have and allow yourself to grow.Ready to launch your own content journey? Connect with us on Discord, LinkedIn or other social platforms—we're always happy to help fellow creators get started!This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

7/30/25 • 50:22

Send us a textHave you ever wondered what happens when the networks we build leave Earth's atmosphere? In this mind-expanding conversation with Lexi Cooper, Network Integration Engineer at Blue Origin, we explore the extraordinary world of rocket networking and witness firsthand the emotional impact of watching your work launch into orbit.Lexi's journey defies conventional career paths—from hating her previous job to discovering networking at community college, live streaming her CCNA studies on Twitch, and landing at Blue Origin through what she calls "pure luck" when someone noticed her social media posts about BGP. Her story proves that intellectual curiosity and a willingness to learn publicly can propel careers to literal new heights.We dive deep into the unique challenges of aerospace networking that terrestrial engineers rarely consider: the weight constraints that limit redundancy options, the extreme temperature fluctuations without air cooling, radiation testing for components, and the absolute necessity for deterministic networking when human intervention is impossible after launch. Lexi explains how every engineering decision becomes a complex risk assessment when the stakes include billion-dollar missions.For aspiring rocket network engineers, Lexi offers invaluable advice: master networking fundamentals through certifications like CCNA, don't be intimidated by seemingly impossible job requirements, and develop a deeper understanding of the lower networking layers most engineers never explore. She emphasizes that no one is ever fully qualified for these unique roles—what matters most is demonstrating passion, adaptability, and a relentless desire to understand how things work.Ready to expand your professional horizons? Join us for this inspiring conversation that will change how you think about networking and perhaps open doors to career possibilities you never imagined. Whether you're looking to break into aerospace or simply seeking fresh perspectives on your current role, this episode delivers insights that transcend terrestrial boundaries.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

7/16/25 • 66:30

Send us a textDrowning in digital clutter? You're not alone. In this practical deep-dive, Andy and Jeff share the productivity systems that have transformed their professional lives as network engineers.We explore how Asana's Kanban-style boards create visual workflow management that prevents important tasks from falling through the cracks. Whether you're managing podcast production or complex network projects, seeing your work move from "ideas" to "completed" provides both clarity and satisfaction.Knowledge management gets a critical examination as we contrast traditional tools like OneNote with newer Markdown-based systems like Obsidian. The key revelation? Portability matters. As your career evolves across different companies and platforms, keeping your accumulated knowledge accessible becomes increasingly important. We share practical strategies for ensuring your technical documentation remains both organized and retrievable regardless of where life takes you.For visual thinkers, mind mapping emerges as a powerful solution for tackling complex problems. Andy demonstrates how transforming linear documentation into spatial relationships helped him decode complicated processes and organize complex content strategies. These visual frameworks provide an entirely different perspective on challenges that can feel overwhelming in traditional formats.Perhaps most valuable is our discussion of task management simplification. Microsoft To-Do with a "brain dump" approach helps maintain focus amid overwhelming possibilities by extracting just three priority items each day from your master task list. This practical technique has proven transformative for managing both daily tasks and longer-term projects.Whether you're struggling with note organization, project management, or simply finding focus amid information overload, this episode offers practical solutions you can implement immediately. The technology landscape constantly evolves, but with the right productivity system, you can transform information chaos into organized knowledge that supports both daily tasks and long-term career growth.Join our Discord community at "It's All About the Journey" to continue the productivity discussion and share your own favorite tools and techniques!This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

7/2/25 • 30:11

Send us a textBeyond the sundecks and buffet lines lies a technological marvel most cruise passengers never consider - the complex network infrastructure keeping these floating cities connected and operational. In this fascinating conversation with Will Robbins, we dive deep into the unique challenges and solutions of maritime networking that blend hospitality technology with critical operational systems.Have you ever wondered how thousands of cruisers can simultaneously post vacation photos from the middle of the ocean? Modern cruise ships deploy an impressive array of connectivity solutions - up to 15 separate connections including both traditional satellites and multiple Starlink antennas working in concert. This connectivity ballet must account for both the ship and satellites being in constant motion while managing variable weather conditions. The reduced latency of Starlink connections (150-250ms versus 500ms) has revolutionized the passenger experience, enabling video calls and remote work capabilities that were previously impossible.What surprises most network professionals is the scale of onboard infrastructure. Each vessel houses a complete data center with 10-15 racks of equipment supporting everything from guest services to critical ship operations. These floating data centers must function independently since cloud-based applications would be unreliable with satellite connections. Adding to the complexity, the all-metal construction creates wireless challenges requiring thousands of access points while radar systems limit available wireless frequencies. The conversation explores security considerations unique to maritime environments, including the practice of using different networking vendors across ships to prevent fleet-wide vulnerabilities. We also examine how these networks prioritize traffic, with casino operations receiving highest priority as major revenue generators. Whether you're a networking professional curious about specialized environments or a cruise enthusiast wondering how your vacation technology works, this episode offers rare insights into the engineering behind modern maritime adventures. Ready to see cruise ships through entirely new eyes?This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

6/18/25 • 43:31

Send us a textArtificial intelligence isn't just a buzzword anymore. It's fundamentally changing how we approach networking and IT infrastructure. In the inaugural "Whitreboard Wednesday episode, Jeff Clark joins Andy to demonstrate practical AI applications that are transforming everyday tasks for network engineers.Jeff walks through powerful tools like Google's Notebook LM, which creates comprehensive mind maps from your content, making connections you might never notice on your own. The demonstrations are stunning: an AI that can look at a simple network diagram and generate perfect configuration files for Fortinet devices within minutes, or create an interactive resume website complete with working features in less time than it takes to make a cup of coffee.What makes this conversation especially compelling is Andy's journey from AI skeptic to enthusiast. Like many professionals, he initially feared AI would replace rather than enhance human capabilities. Now he's leveraging these tools to build his own SaaS product with minimal coding knowledge—something that would have required a team of developers and substantial funding just a few years ago.The hosts don't shy away from discussing legitimate concerns either. As a security professional, Jeff highlights the risks of feeding proprietary information into public AI systems and explains how organizations are navigating these challenges through internal tools and proper guardrails.Whether you're an AI novice or have been experimenting with these tools for months, this episode offers practical insights you can immediately apply to your workflow. As Jeff points out, understanding AI isn't just about keeping up with technology—it's about ensuring your skills remain relevant in a rapidly evolving landscape.Ready to multiply your productivity and unlock new possibilities? Check out our YouTube channel to see these demonstrations in action and join our Discord community to continue the conversation about how AI is reshaping our profession.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

6/4/25 • 56:33

Send us a textThe networking industry stands at a crossroads where traditional command-line mastery meets modern automation requirements. Few professionals embody this intersection better than Muna Chimso, a Network Automation Engineer at Google who joins us to share his remarkable journey and insights.Muna's story begins in Nigeria, where fixing his mother's phone sparked an early interest in technology. After moving to the United States in 2018 to study Computer Networking and IT, he made a critical observation that would shape his career path: while he loved networking fundamentals, the job market increasingly demanded coding skills even for networking positions. Rather than choosing between his passion for networking and the industry's direction toward software, Muna embraced both, building a rare and valuable skill set that combines deep networking knowledge with programming expertise.What makes Muna's perspective particularly valuable is his unique vantage point as a young professional who entered the field with fresh eyes. He shares how Google's Network Residency Program brings new graduates into the networking world, addressing the challenge of attracting young talent to a field often overshadowed by pure software engineering roles. We explore the evolving relationship between network engineers and developers, with fascinating insights into how companies are bridging this gap, from pairing traditional engineers with developers to incentivizing networking professionals to learn coding through bonuses and recognition programs.The conversation takes a thought-provoking turn when Muna suggests that the future of network engineering isn't about memorizing commands but understanding complex systems at scale. "You won't need to type a BGP command anymore," he notes, highlighting how the value of network professionals is shifting from configuration expertise to systems thinking and problem-solving abilities. While automation and AI handle increasingly complex tasks, the human element remains irreplaceable for understanding business problems and designing appropriate solutions.Whether you're a seasoned network veteran considering how to evolve your skills, a student wondering which path to pursue, or a technology leader building teams for the future, this episode offers invaluable insights into the convergence of networking and software development. Subscribe now and join our community at linktree.com/artofneteng to continue the conversation!This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

5/21/25 • 60:23

Send us a textConsulting Engineers (CEs) at networking vendors blend deep technical expertise with customer-facing skills to bridge the gap between account managers and specialized solution design. They operate as specialists who support Sales Engineers when customer requirements demand deeper technical knowledge.• CEs often join from traditional network engineering backgrounds or increasingly through vendor graduate programs• The role provides higher impact by influencing entire industries rather than just one company• CE positions typically offer better compensation than operational networking roles• Computer science education rarely covers networking fundamentals, creating an industry knowledge gap• The autonomy of the CE role allows for continuous learning and specialization while maintaining customer contact• Working at a vendor provides exposure to bleeding-edge technology and broader industry perspectives• Soft skills are equally important as technical skills for success in consulting engineeringIf you're interested in transitioning to a Consulting Engineer role, develop your soft skills and build relationships in the networking community, as these connections are invaluable. Reach Colin Doyle and Jared Cordova on LinkedIn to learn more about consulting engineering opportunities.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

5/7/25 • 50:38

Send us a textThe divide between network engineers and developers has long been a source of frustration, misunderstanding, and blame in the tech world. When applications fail, the classic refrain "it's the network" often echoes through organizations, leaving network engineers scrambling to prove their innocence while developers remain convinced of their code's perfection.In this enlightening conversation, former Cisco developer advocate Erika Dietrick joins hosts Andy Lapteff and Jeff Clark to unpack the root causes of this technological rift. Erika offers a rare dual perspective, having worked both as a software engineer and in Cisco's Technical Assistance Center (TAC). She explains how educational paths create fundamentally different mindsets: "Developers learn to code, period. We do not learn how our computer works. We do not learn how the network works."Andy shares his personal struggles with learning automation, admitting to starting and quitting "every Python class on planet Earth." This prompts Erika's most valuable insight – that learning to "think like a developer" matters more than syntax or commands. The conversation explores how network engineers often find themselves drowning in daily operational tasks while being expected to add coding skills "for no more money," creating resistance to automation despite its potential benefits.The discussion takes unexpected turns through topics like cultural differences between teams, the challenges of breaking technical silos, and how AI might actually help bridge these gaps without replacing human expertise. Erika outlines her upcoming free course designed specifically for network engineers learning to code with AI – addressing the exact educational gap that has frustrated network professionals for years.Whether you identify more with Andy's automation struggles or Jeff's enthusiasm for Python scripting, this episode offers practical perspectives on healing the developer-networker divide. Subscribe to Erika's Youtube channel here: here:https://www.youtube.com/@erika_thedevSubscribe to our podcast for more conversations that tackle the human side of technology and join our Discord community at linktr.ee/artofneteng.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

4/23/25 • 59:42

Send us a textNetwork engineers have traditionally drawn a line between "our tools" and "developer tools," often rejecting powerful solutions that could dramatically improve our workflows. But what if we thought about tools the same way tradespeople do? A plumber wouldn't refuse to use a hammer just because it's "for carpenters" – so why do we resist Git?In this eye-opening discussion, we explore how Git – the version control system created by Linux founder Linus Torvalds – can transform how network teams manage configurations, collaborate on changes, and maintain system history. Far from being "just for developers," Git provides elegant solutions to problems network engineers face daily.Think about how many times you've emailed configuration files with names like "config_v2_final_REALLY_FINAL.txt" to your team, trying to track which version is current. As our guest William Collins puts it, "If you're versioning in the file name, you've already lost." Git eliminates this chaos by providing a structured approach to tracking changes that's actually remarkably similar to how routing protocols work – distributed nodes maintaining a consistent state through carefully managed updates.We break down the differences between Git (the technology) and platforms like GitHub (commercial services built on Git), demonstrate how branching and pull requests can formalize peer review of network changes, and show why you don't need to understand every Git command to start benefiting from it today. Whether you're backing up configurations, collaborating on documentation, or building automation workflows, Git provides the structure and accountability that network operations desperately need.Ready to stop emailing configurations and embrace a better way? Listen now to discover why Git isn't just for developers – it's for anyone who wants to work smarter.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

4/9/25 • 32:16

Send us a textHave you ever felt like your networking knowledge stops at layer three? You're not alone. In this eye-opening episode, we dive deep into the world of firewalls with security experts Jeff Clark and Matt Lushner, exploring why these critical devices are no longer just "edge protection" but have evolved into sophisticated security platforms that every network engineer should understand.From simple port filtering to next-generation capabilities like deep packet inspection and application awareness, we unpack how modern firewalls have transformed network security. Matt and Jeff expertly guide us through complex concepts like zero trust architecture, explaining how firewalls now integrate with active directory, endpoint protection, and threat intelligence to create comprehensive security ecosystems.Ever wondered what a DMZ actually does? Or how firewalls can inspect encrypted traffic? We tackle these questions and more, making security concepts accessible for network professionals looking to expand their skillset. The conversation reveals why network engineers are uniquely positioned to excel in firewall management – your understanding of traffic flows and routing gives you a head start in the security world.The traditional boundaries between networking and security are blurring, with firewalls now replacing routers in many environments and security considerations becoming embedded throughout the network rather than just at the perimeter. Whether you're curious about career progression into security or just want to better understand how your network's protections function, this episode provides the perfect introduction to the fascinating intersection of networking and security.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

3/26/25 • 66:10

Send us a textNetwork automation remains one of the most polarizing topics in our industry. Despite years of being told it will revolutionize our work, actual adoption rates hover around a dismal 20-30%. Why the resistance? And is there finally a path forward that makes sense for everyday network engineers?In this candid conversation with Jeff Clark and Colin Doyle, we dive deep into the psychological and practical barriers that keep most engineers firmly rooted in traditional networking practices. Jeff shares how his "selfish automation" approach transformed a tedious 15-minute ticket process into a 30-second task, while Colin explores how modern intent-based networking is fundamentally changing what network automation means.The truth emerges that resistance isn't just about technical challenges—it's about cognitive biases like loss aversion and fear of job displacement. We confront the paradox that many engineers chose networking specifically to avoid coding, only to find programming skills becoming increasingly essential for career advancement.What makes this conversation different is our focus on practical, accessible starting points rather than theoretical ideals. You'll learn why small, personal projects that solve your immediate problems are the gateway to building automation skills, and how communities of practice can provide the support and accountability needed to progress.Whether you're automation-curious or automation-resistant, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on how to approach this inevitable shift in our field. The future of networking isn't about replacing engineers with code—it's about freeing engineers to focus on what matters most.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

3/12/25 • 64:15

Send us a textWith the rise of artificial intelligence and its significant demands on network performance, experts are increasingly asking whether Ethernet can catch up to InfiniBand as the preferred choice for high-performance computing.Join us as industry veterans Mike Bushong and Dr. Jay Metz share their insights on the necessity of open, flexible, and scalable networking solutions. Discover why many believe that Ethernet could be the platform of choice moving forward. As they dissect the need for innovation, collaboration, and competition within the ecosystem, our guests provide a forward-looking perspective on the future of network engineering.This engaging discussion ultimately encourages listeners to rethink their understanding of Ethernet's potential, examining the increased complexity required to meet the evolving demands of modern computational tasks like AI and HPC. For more details about what the work UEC is doing, go to https://ultraethernet.org/This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

2/26/25 • 62:34

Send us a textThe (PA)NUG podcast panel of William Collins, Andy Lapteff, Ned Bellavance, and Drew Conry-Murray highlights the evolving landscape of network engineering, focusing on the essential skills required for future success, including automation and cloud technologies. Panelists emphasize the importance of foundational networking knowledge, mentorship, and the integration of security into network design, while also addressing the challenges and opportunities presented by technological advancements.• Exploration of the changing network engineering landscape • Emphasis on the importance of automation and scripting skills • Discussion on retaining fundamental knowledge in networking • Insights on securing networks within cloud infrastructure • Importance of mentorship and continuous learning • Perspectives on the future of AI in network engineeringJoin the (US)NUA today:https://www.usnua.com/membershipThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

2/12/25 • 49:36

Send us a textThis episode explores the theme of change, drawing on personal anecdotes from the hosts as they navigate transitions in their careers and lives. The discussion highlights the importance of embracing change and automation in the ever-evolving tech industry, fostering resilience, and nurturing community connections.• Reflections on personal experiences of change • The evolution of the podcast amidst transitions • Importance of automation in today’s networking landscape • Navigating the emotional impacts of career changes • Suggestions for leveraging community for support and growth • Embracing vulnerability and creativity in facing fears This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

1/29/25 • 61:04

Send us a textThis episode discusses the complexities of VXLAN and EVPN in modern networking, highlighting the transition from traditional layer 2 designs to more efficient layer 3 systems. With insights from expert Aninda Chaterjee, listeners learn the importance of understanding underlying technologies for effective network management. • Personal experiences with home lab setups and troubleshooting • Explanation of VXLAN as a data plane encapsulation method • Challenges faced in traditional data center architectures • Transitioning from layer 2 to layer 3 using leaf and spine architectures • How EVPN enhances VXLAN functionality by managing MAC addresses • Importance of understanding technology for effective troubleshooting • Aninda’s insights on becoming a technical author in the networking fieldThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

1/15/25 • 63:37

Send us a textWhat if the future of network engineering hinges on curiosity and adaptability? Join us for an enlightening discussion with Nicholas Calcutti as we navigate the fascinating evolution of networking technologies. Nicholas, with his impressive journey from a desktop support technician to a doctoral student, shares invaluable insights into the triumphs and trials of the networking world. We chat about everything from the first email sent in 1971 to the intricate demands of managing AI HPC workloads. The transformation driven by software-defined networking and the necessity of foundational skills in a rapidly advancing landscape are at the forefront of our conversation.Throughout this dynamic exchange, we unravel the complexities of cloud networking, reflecting on the trials and triumphs of operating within platforms like Azure. Our discussion highlights essential skills for today’s network engineers, emphasizing the growing importance of cloud proficiency and automation tools. Nicholas and Kevin share personal stories of overcoming resistance to automation, underscoring the necessity of learning new skills like Python and Terraform. The dialogue also shifts towards the role of network engineers in the era of automation and AI, contemplating the future viability of the profession amid these technological shifts.Finally, we explore the intriguing balance between specialization and generalism in networking careers. The impact of cloud technologies on IT roles sparks a lively debate, particularly as companies like Twitter reconsider full cloud adoption. Nicholas and Kevin weigh in on the pros and cons of cloud computing, discussing cost, control, and the potential of hybrid solutions. Our discussion is peppered with anecdotes that illuminate the challenges and opportunities in the networking field, offering a hopeful perspective on nurturing curiosity and problem-solving in future generations of network engineers. Nic's presentation can be found here:Tech Coast Conference Slide DeckDon't forget to follow us on social media and check out our website for more insights and updates!This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

1/1/25 • 77:02

Send us a textWhat if you could revolutionize your network infrastructure while overcoming the limitations of IPv4? Join us for an enlightening discussion with network engineering stalwarts Kevin Myers, Ed Horley, and Chris Miles as they unpack the complexities of IPv6 adoption. With Kevin's hands-on experience in both service provider and enterprise environments, Ed's insights from the California v6 Task Force, and Chris's unique journey from traditional network engineering to the cloud, we reveal the hidden intricacies and persistent challenges that have slowed the transition from IPv4. Our conversation navigates the entrenchment of temporary fixes like CIDR and NAT and the pressing need for a shift to IPv6 in an era of growing broadband demands.Delve into the real-world challenges of IPv6 implementation, particularly in regions like Asia, where the scarcity of IPv4 addresses is palpable. Explore the nuances of carrier-grade NAT and its implications on performance and network complexity, especially as broadband speeds soar. We'll discuss the tangible benefits IPv6 brings to enterprises, from security enhancements to innovative network topologies that defy the constraints of NAT. Our guests share compelling anecdotes and lessons learned from their professional journeys, offering a roadmap for navigating this critical technological evolution.Dive into the often unnoticed world of IPv6 in mobile internet usage, where many users unknowingly traverse this protocol daily. We'll highlight pioneering examples like Facebook's early adoption and explore the security advantages IPv6 offers, such as mitigating DDoS attacks with its vast address space. As we reflect on the mental shift required for network engineers transitioning to IPv6, our discussion underscores the importance of continuous learning and adaptation. This episode promises to equip you with the insights needed to embrace IPv6, ensuring your network infrastructure is future-ready and resilient.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

12/18/24 • 80:11

Send us a textWhat if you could simplify your entire networking infrastructure with one holistic solution? Join us in this episode as we sit down with Anil, the visionary CEO of Meter, to uncover how his company is revolutionizing the networking industry. With a fresh perspective on hardware and software integration, Anil shares his journey from a network engineer to a leader at the forefront of innovation, offering products that give engineers complete control and visibility over their networks. Discover Meter's unique offerings, like the Connect marketplace for ISPs and intuitive natural language commands that are set to transform user experience.We explore the strategic advantages of being a startup in a field dominated by legacy players. Anil reveals how Meter sidesteps the technical debt faced by older companies, providing superior products and aligning incentives with customer needs. By taking on capital risks and eliminating hardware costs, Meter distinguishes itself from traditional vendors who focus on hardware sales margins. Listen as Anil discusses the long-term contracts that ensure a return on investment and the unwavering commitment to exceptional service that sets Meter apart.Anil explains the significance of trust when integrating new vendors into existing systems and highlights the innovative ISP marketplace feature that eases the management of network services. Addressing common concerns about automation and cloud technologies, Anil reassures listeners that these advancements are meant to enhance, not replace, jobs. Tune in to learn how Meter's solutions, from streamlined network service management to cost-saving recommendations, are redefining the landscape of network engineering and education.For more info on Meter's solutions:www.meter.comConnect: www.meter.com/connect Command: www.meter.com/commandThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

12/4/24 • 59:08

Send us a textWhat if the future of network engineering isn't just about cables and hardware, but about mastering the cloud and cybersecurity? Join me, Andy Lapteff, as I sit down with industry giants William Collins and Scott Robohn to uncover the secrets of thriving in this ever-evolving field. William, now a cloud automation expert at Alkira, takes us through his journey from systems administrator to a key player in multi-cloud network software, and shares insights from his own podcast, the Cloud Gambit. Meanwhile, Scott shares wisdom from his 35-year career in networking, offering a unique perspective on how to navigate the industry's seismic shifts with optimism and foresight.As the realm of network engineering transforms, we examine the commoditization of networking as a utility and what it means for professionals in the field. Amidst the pressures of standardization and falling prices, the conversation turns to emerging technologies like 5G, 6G, and network security that promise new opportunities. We emphasize the timeless importance of core skills such as TCP/IP, even as the industry leans more towards software. We also delve into the 'cowboy' days of the 90s and 2000s, contrasting those times with today's structured and strategic approach, providing invaluable insights for both newcomers and veterans in the field.Technology never stands still, and neither should your skill set. We explore how to adapt and thrive amidst technological change, discussing how automation can enhance job satisfaction and ease the learning curve. We expand on the importance of foundational skills and certifications, like Cisco's CCNA, remaining relevant even as cloud and cybersecurity take center stage. Tune in to uncover how network engineering can be your stepping stone into lucrative emerging fields, learn how to leverage Python and Terraform, and understand the intricate dynamics behind cloud adoption. Let us guide you through the maze of AI in network engineering, as we dissect the hype and highlight the real innovations that could reshape our professional landscapes.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

11/20/24 • 69:21

Send us a textTo learn more about Juniper Networks Apstra visit juniper.net/aoneUnlock the potential of AI Ops in data centers with insights from Shean Leigon, a senior product manager at Juniper Networks. Discover how AI operations, often seen as mystical, are instead practical tools that can enhance network engineering, especially in wireless and access layers. Shean delves into Juniper's strategic integration of AI through platforms like Mist and Marvis, offering a roadmap for data centers eager to embrace enhanced automation and reliability without succumbing to hype.Explore the nuances of Juniper's Apstra solution, designed to ensure your network's intended state aligns impeccably with its actual state. Apstra utilizes a cutting-edge graph database to maintain a clear network topology, effectively managing challenges like cabling mismatches and day-two operations. With Marvis, the Virtual Network Assistant, the complexity of data is transformed into intuitive insights for network operators, streamlining issue resolution and improving communication within organizations. Shean emphasizes the importance of service mapping in reducing downtime and highlights the tools that empower network engineers to tackle application issues with confidence.As the episode unfolds, the discussion tackles the integration of new security solutions in large enterprise environments, spotlighting the transformative potential of AI Ops in simplifying data correlation. Shean shares advancements in predictive analysis and impact assessment within data centers, underscoring the critical role of service awareness in prioritizing crucial actions. The conversation wraps up with a look at AI and automation's role in capacity planning and network maintenance, encouraging a healthy skepticism while acknowledging AI as a significant ally in the evolving landscape of network management.This episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

11/6/24 • 44:43

Send us a textAre you a network engineer wondering what’s next in your career? In this episode, we dive deep into various career paths beyond network engineering. From senior network engineer and architect roles to exciting vendor positions like technical marketing engineers (TMEs) and solutions engineers (SEs), discover how your networking skills can take your career to the next level. We cover the importance of certifications such as CCNP, CCDE, and cloud networking to keep your skills relevant in today’s tech landscape. Learn how to avoid burnout, the benefits of cross-functional communication, and how to position yourself for leadership roles like CTO or product management. Whether you're just starting out or looking to advance your career and make more money, this episode offers valuable insights and practical advice for every network engineer.This podcast episode is perfect for networking professionals and tech enthusiasts seeking growth opportunities in the ever-evolving IT field!Chapters-------------------00:00 Exploring Career Paths Beyond Network Engineering11:11 Transitioning to Vendor Roles in Networking14:32 Roles in Networking Beyond Engineering21:04 Technical Enablement and Post-Sales Roles33:40 Navigating Certifications and Vendor Roles39:51 Navigating Career Paths Beyond Networking52:22 Networking Career Opportunities and CertificationsThis episode has been sponsored by Meter. Go to meter.com/aone to book a demo now!  You can support the show at the link below.Support the showFind everything AONE right here: https://linktr.ee/artofneteng

10/23/24 • 60:21