Talking Till Dawn

On October 31st, 1969, two high school students, Patricia Spencer and Pamela Hobley vanished without a trace from Oscoda, Michigan. In this episode of Talking till Dawn, we investigate their disappearance and hope that someone out there knows the truth. If you know anything that can help find Patricia and Pamela, please contact the Oscoda police department: https://www.oscodatownshipmi.gov/government_departments/police_department.php We do our best to handle such topics delicately and with respect to the victims, but should anything discussed badly affect your emotional well being, please talk to someone, or call one of the following numbers: Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255  Support Talking Till Dawn: http://www.patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: www.talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: www.x.com/@TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com SOURCES: https://charleyproject.org/case/patricia-ann-spencer https://charleyproject.org/case/pamela-sue-hobley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Patricia_Spencer_and_Pamela_Hobley https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-harold-covey-20-oscoda-23-dec-1976.619500/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dawn_Magyar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Henry_Abbott https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-patricia-spencer-16-pamela-hobley-15-oscoda-31-oct-1969.146971/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/halloween-mystery-where-are-girls-who-vanished-from-oscoda-michigan-45-years-ago/ https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1673dmmi.html https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-patricia-spencer-16-pamela-hobley-15-oscoda-31-oct-1969.146971/page-11#post-17891836 https://unexplainedrealms.medium.com/pamela-hobley-and-patricia-spencer-had-a-few-things-in-common-they-attended-the-same-school-were-a6ef91367961 https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KAPN/date/1969-10-31 https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=4394 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/oh-eileen-adams-14-toledo-18-dec-1967.45553/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/arthur-ream-case-cops-are-digging-up-this-child-killers-burial-ground-again https://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/williams-leslie-allen.htm https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/07/john-norman-collins-associate-andrew.html https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/case/MP14993 https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/57344 https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/article/was-the-vietnam-war-responsible-for-creating-a-generation-of-serial-killers https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/07/john-norman-collins-associate-andrew.html https://www.grunge.com/1128603/the-night-stalker-richard-ramirezs-violent-cousin-miguel-may-have-inspired-his-crimes/ https://expendableforacause.net/2023/03/09/something-was-terribly-wrong-with-miguel/  

11/19/23 • 95:56

In the late 1500s, a huge man-eating wolf was attacking and devouring the people of Bedburg, Bavaria. It stalked the forests, fields, and even the darkened streets of the surrounding areas. No one was safe from its blood-thirst. Fear and rumours spread throughout the land, until finally that dreaded word was whispered from neighbour to neighbour. A word that would explain how the beast could so easily appear and disappear at will: 'Werewolf'. In this episode of Talking till Dawn, we investigate the events surrounding this alleged werewolf, pouring over old manuscripts and records to uncover the truth behind this terrifying case and the man who was accused of being a real werewolf: Peter Stump.  Please do leave a review, it really helps the podcast build an audience. Many thanks. This episode contains discussion of topics, including torture, murder, infanticide, and cannabilism which some listeners may find distressing. We do our best to handle such topics delicately and with respect to the victims, but should anything discussed badly affect your emotional well being, please talk to someone, or call one of the following numbers: Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255   Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com   Source links   https://vamzzz.com/blog/peter-stumpp-werewolf-or-political-scapegoat/ https://danarehn.com/2022/05/04/werewolf-petter-stump/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov_wolf_attacks https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/werewolf.html#stubbe%22 https://omeka.cloud.unimelb.edu.au/execution-ballads/items/show/1150 https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1027231 "A True Discourse. Declaring the Damnable Life and Death of One Stubbe Peeter, a Most Wicked Sorcerer." London, 1590. (original English version) Several articles from Newspapers.com.    

9/22/23 • 54:49

January 5, 1935: A young man travelling under an assumed name is found mortally wounded in a room at the President Hotel in Kansas City. His identity and the bizarre circumstances of his death spark a mystery that will puzzle investigators to this day. This episode contains discussion of topics, including suicide and self-harm, which some listeners may find distressing Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255   Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com   Source links   https://kansascitymag.com/news/longform/the-owen-case/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Artemus_Ogletree https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/167645421 https://web.archive.org/web/20120321030654/https://www.kclibrary.org/blog/kc-unbound/mystery-room-1046-pt-1-roland-t-owen https://www.al.com/news/erry-2018/09/56ecbe55ac9479/the-mystery-of-what-was-in-the.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_%27American_Beauty%27

2/3/23 • 71:04

Birmingham, England - 18th April 1985: 17-year-old Marion Terry responds to a job listing, and within hours she is found dead under bizarre circumstances in the home of amateur filmmaker Geoffrey Jones. The tragedy would trigger a minor media frenzy, plumb the depths of one man's macabre obsessions, and fuel even darker rumours of snuff rings and murder-for-media... Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

9/12/22 • 68:04

Croglin, northwest England: A legend looms over this remote Cumbrian village. A harrowing tale of desecrated tombs, sinister intruders, and bloodsucking terror.  One of a very few examples of the vampire in pre-20th Century English folklore, the "Cumberland Phenomenon" is usually presented as a true event... but how much truth does it actually hold? Diving deep into the history and literature of the case, Mike and Martin aim to find out. Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress &  Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255            

7/12/22 • 98:15

We conclude our exploration of the infamous Paisley Witch case of the late 17th Century, examining the horrific details of the trial and subsequent executions, as well as the cultural -- and some say supernatural -- aftershocks that resonate to this day. Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123   Distress &  Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

5/12/22 • 94:54

Mike and Martin take a look at one of the more obscure monsters of Scottish folklore: the Earth Hound, a mysterious burrowing animal reputed to inhabit graveyards and feast on the bodies of the dead... Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com

4/4/22 • 39:05

In January 1909, a wave of winged terror swept New Jersey and southeast Pennsylvania. Sightings abounded of a strange, flying creature marauding its way through the settlements of the Delaware River and down to the Atlantic coast, menacing townspeople, attacking pets, and leaving impossible prints in the snow... Something strange had emerged from the wild Pine Barrens at the heart of New Jersey, something out of the mists of myth and history... Martin and Mike reach back into those mists to uncover the tangled tale of folklore, religious heresy, slander and superstition behind the legend of the Jersey Devil. Support Talking Till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com

3/4/22 • 113:25

Just a wee update for your lovely ears. Did that sound sinister? It wasn't meant to. I promise.

2/25/22 • 02:08

In myths and legends across Europe -- and beyond -- one strange scenario plays out time and time again: a spectral horde thundering across the night sky, pursuing otherworldly prey, or clamouring for battle. Monstrous creatures, werewolves, trolls, old gods and fairy folk. Their arrival foretelling war or natural disaster... the terrifying procession known as the Wild Hunt. In this special Christmas episode, we explore appearances of the Wild Hunt in legend and history, seek out its possible origins, and examine its unseen influence on modern Christmas celebrations. (The final part of The Paisley Witches will debut in January)  Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com

12/24/21 • 45:12

In 1697, the Scottish town of Paisley found itself in the grip of a witchcraft hysteria that echoed the infamous witch trials of Salem, Massachusetts four years earlier. Mike and Martin delve into the bloody and tragic details surrounding the case of the Paisley Witches. Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123   Distress &  Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

12/6/21 • 74:36

On a winter's morning in 2005, the dead body of Annie Börjesson was discovered on Prestwick beach in Scotland. The police quickly ruled her death a suicide, but on return to her native Sweden, a series of forensic clues and strange coincidences were noted that cast troubling doubts on the conclusions of the Scottish authorities, and exposed a web of sinister connections encompassing a predatory impostor, clandestine operations, and CIA torture flights... Did Annie take her own life, or was she murdered? And why?  Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com This episode contains discussion of murder and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing.   Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123   Distress &  Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255   References: Unsolved Mysteries: The Death and Intrigue of Annie Börjesson The Mysterious Life and Death of Annie Borjesson

10/31/21 • 66:42

September 12th 1952: After a flurry of UFO sightings, a bright light streaks across the skies of Braxton County, West Virginia, coming to Earth on a hillside near the village of Flatwoods. Witnesses set out to investigate... and experience a terrifying encounter quite unlike anything else in the annals of the weird. An alien monster, an extraterrestrial robot, a bizarre military psy-op... or the world's scariest owl? Mike and Martin discuss. Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com References: The Braxton County Monster, by Frank Feschino Shoot Them Down, by Frank Feschino Flying Saucers from the Kremlin, by Nick Redfern

10/3/21 • 110:40

Some time in 1984, a music-loving teenager recorded an unknown song from German radio onto a cassette tape. Little did he know this simple act would spark a decades-long search, and draw thousands of people into the enigma of what would become known as The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet. Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com Resources: Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGf4liO-KQ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMysteriousSong/ Spreadsheet of TMS leads: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WDtZaXuQ-XadFgS2ah0mC0lzB_xcCC6-uolcHECxi0k/edit#gid=0   Statues in Motion album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ska4lkFMTM4

8/31/21 • 66:16

Mike and Martin review and discuss the recently-released "Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" from the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence... a fascinating document detailing the findings of a special investigation into Unidentified Fl-- ahem, I mean "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" encountered by the US Navy and other branches of the armed forces. For more special bonus content like this, consider supporting Talking Till on Patreon: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Read the document: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

8/25/21 • 48:28

In the second of a two-parter, we dig deeper into the crimes of the World's End serial killer, Angus Sinclair.  His victims, his background, his accomplices, the chilling mysteries of his 1970s crime spree, his lasting impact on the Scottish criminal justice system, his final trial where justice for the victims of the World's End murders hung in the balance... and the stunning forensic discovery that changed everything... Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn This episode contains discussion of murder and sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 825

7/30/21 • 128:11

The World's End Murders -- an apt name for such an appalling crime -- rattled the city of Edinburgh in October 1977.   Helen Scott and Christine Eadie, two bright, fun-loving 17-year-olds, disappeared from a busy pub in the heart of the city. The following day, miles away in East Lothian, their bodies were found strangled and coldly discarded. The girls had last been seen in the company of two unknown men…   So began a true crime mystery, and a search for justice that would span forty years. A search that would finally bring to light a hidden, twisting trail of death and misery left in the wake of one man... a serial killer whose catalogue of crimes had gone little noticed and unconnected for decades…   Website: talkingtilldawn.com   Twitter: @TalkingTill   Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com   Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn   This episode contains discussion of murder and sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing.   Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123   Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

6/30/21 • 91:44

The Writers' Mythos podcast: https://spoti.fi/3fWB9Kv FitzBeanHappenin' podcast interview: https://spoti.fi/3yS2cz9 Mike and Martin discuss several ghoulish urban folk tales that turned out to have a disturbing kernel of truth at the heart of the myth. Sewer Gator video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_Wp... Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill

5/30/21 • 67:49

9th November 1979 began as an ordinary working day for Robert Taylor, a forestry worker for the Livingston Development Corporation. But a routine visit to a plantation near the M8 motorway led to a surreal, terrifying, life-changing encounter with the unknown... Mike and Martin examine the facts and theories around perhaps the strangest case in Scottish UFO lore; an incident that would become the only alleged alien encounter to result in a criminal investigation. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn

4/28/21 • 42:23

Talking till Dawn investigates the horrifying medical mystery of Tarrare, an 18th Century showman, thief, and spy... a man cursed with eating habits that were almost beyond human imagination... Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn This episode contains discussion of murder and eating disorders, which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

3/28/21 • 100:43

From the half-shark, half-octopus Lusca of the Bahamian blue holes... to the tragic tale of the Pensacola monster... to the 19th Century oddities of the Cape Ann sea serpent... and the obscure man-eating horror of the monster of Serrana Cay, Mike and Martin continue their foray into the darkest depths of sea serpent and sea monster lore. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn

2/25/21 • 120:31

Mike and Martin dive deep to explore the facts and folklore surrounding accounts of giant sea monster attacks. In the first episode of a two-parter, we examine the supposedly true story of a sea serpent assaulting a World War I U-boat, the case of an American warship damaged by an unknown beast, and the truth about the legendary Giant Squid and its even more terrifying cousin... the Colossal Squid. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn

1/28/21 • 91:07

December 29th, 1980: On a back road outside Houston, Texas, three people had a terrifying close encounter with a huge UFO and a fleet of mystery helicopters. These witnesses later suffered unexplained sunburn, vomiting, hair loss, and a range of physical symptoms likened to the effects of radiation poisoning... effects that would result in a civil court case against the United States Air Force... On the surface, the experience of Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Colby Landrum (sometimes called the Piney-Woods Incident) is one of the most well-documented and convincing UFO cases of the 20th Century. But is everything as it seems? Mike and Martin investigate. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn   Further reading/sources: Unsolved Mysteries on the Texas UFO case BlueBlurryLines Blog Transcript of the Bergstrom AFB interview Brad Sparks's analysis of the "radiation sickness" symptoms  Brian Dunning on the Cash-Landrum incident Skeptical Enquirer article (Robert Sheaffer)  

12/29/20 • 59:34

Jolly old fat men stuck in chimneys. Venerable fodder for corny Santa jokes, beloved Christmas songs... and one of the most shocking urban legends of the festive period. The movie Gremlins popularized the story (and traumatized a generation), but is there a tragic ember of truth beneath this Christmas horror story? Mike and Martin investigate in a special Christmas mini-episode of the Talking till Dawn podcast. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn

12/23/20 • 29:18

Ecuador, 1980: A flash flood on the Rio Ambato uncovers the bodies of four young girls in shallow graves, and an incident at a street market leads to the capture of Pedro Alonso López, a man who would come to be known as the Monster of the Andes, one of the most horrific and prolific serial killers in history. Mike and Martin explore this tragic true crime case from South America, examining the shocking background to the crimes, the plight of the victims' families, and the disturbing final mystery that, even today, casts a long shadow over Ecuador, Colombia and Peru. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: talkingtilldawn@gmail.com Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn This episode contains discussion of murder and sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255

12/16/20 • 111:42

Talking Till Dawn takes to the airwaves to explore just a few of the strangest mystery broadcasts of history. Come with us as we deep dive into the worlds of Cold War spy "numbers stations", satellite pirates, alien signal interruptions, weird transmissions, television hijacking, and, just maybe, the sounds of mutually assured destruction... Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Further reading/listening: Numbers Station Research and Information Center: https://www.numbers-stations.com/ Enigma 2000: http://www.signalshed.com/ The Conet Project record company site: https://www.irdial.com/conet.htm The Conet Project recordings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExTAp... IndustrialOne numbers station recordings: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list... MTN's Music Collection's recording of WBAB hijack (includes racially abusive material): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFC1... UVB-76/The Buzzer (4625Khz) LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KDE... Priyom "The Pip" origin story: https://priyom.org/military-stations/...

10/28/20 • 116:29

Deep beneath the modern cities of Europe lie thousands of mysterious tunnels. Known as erdstalls, no one is certain who built them, but theories surrounding these strange underground labyrinths invoke everything from secret societies to cryptid creatures. Mike and Martin explore the origins of these darkened places, and shine a light on one of the world's most puzzling historical mysteries. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn Further reading/sources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wpkST2xMiFDrr9-bAuI4uXqiqALZHcVkPPKgfhyJcY4/edit?usp=sharing

8/25/20 • 77:16

In probably our weirdest episode to date, we take to the skies to examine persistent rumours and reports of bizarre atmospheric beasts inhabiting the skies of Earth. Join us on a journey that takes in giant floating jellyfish, levitating globs, flying rods, star jelly, living clouds, and much, much more. Bring an umbrella for this one.   Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn   Further reading/sources: ShukerNature: Sky Beasts, not Spacecraft Mysterious Universe: Atmospheric Monsters Attack! Shetland Traditional Lore AnomalyInfo: The Crawfordsville Monster AnomalyInfo: The Purple Mass Cryptopia.us: The Sky Spitter Moscow Times: Little Green Men, A Look at the Official Soviet X-Files Investigation  

7/27/20 • 117:36

In 1837 & 1838, horror was afoot on the streets of Victorian London. A strange and terrible entity stalked the lanes: Spring-Heeled Jack, a bizarre fiend who spewed flame, leapt huge distances, and stalked women and children, tearing at his victim's clothes and flesh with claws of iron. A terror that would return, time and again, for almost two centuries. Is he a phantom, an alien monster, a vengeful aristocrat, a psychopathic sex attacker... or something even more insidious? Martin and Mike explore the facts and folklore of Spring-heeled Jack, the Victorian boogeyman who refuses to die. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn This episode contains discussion of sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress &  Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255        Further reading/sources: Spring-heeled Jack, To Victorian Bugaboo From Suburban Ghost, by Mike Dash (pdf) The Legend of Spring-heeled Jack: Victorian Urban Folklore and Popular Cultures, by Karl Bell   The Mystery of Spring-Heeled Jack: From Victorian Legend to Steampunk Hero, by John Matthews Spring-heeled Jack: the Original Batman?, by Alex Grand

5/27/20 • 115:37

Legends of lost gold, beast-men, and an ancient, formless evil swirl like the mists over Canada’s Nahanni National Park Reserve. Strange sightings, unexplained disappearances, and a rash of decapitated prospectors have left their mark on the geography of the region: Dead Men Valley, Headless Creek, and the Funeral Range. Is Nahanni a serial killers’ playground? Home to an uncontacted subterranean tribe? Or something much worse. Mike and Martin discuss. Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn

5/3/20 • 79:09